Hello to you

[Ahrehm]

Yes, but it is not to be over simplified.

 

[Skaloop]

Tulc – A very informative article you have discovered and I encourage all here to read and play close attention to the concept of worldlines. It is basically what I’m referring to when I mention “right now” time. But as for math, as fantastic and solid as it can be for communicating symbolic facts, it is only that; an expression of symbolic fact. The Is does not speak in math. Math is a human attempt to describe with symbols what already exists. Since it is symbolic representation it will never be able to express reality, only describe. Math is the adjective for a noun which cannot be expressed in symbol.

Veyrlian- I actually did attempt to post in a Jewish forum but there were problems getting my account verified. I must say that it is VERY odd to be using human machinery in such a manner. Yes, we are capable of accomplishing some tasks which you would describe as physically impossible, but setting up e-mail, and clicking buttons, this is very strange for me. It is not that Christians have been “chosen” any more than anyone else. You are all right and wrong in all of your faith.

Andreusz- I would rather not think of abilities as powers symbolically, but I know what you are asking. It’s very hard to elaborate on this topic as we are very much the same. All we are is you but without the conscious, symbolic, animal mind. You all are spiritual beings, and really, you have the qualities which we do not. See, as spiritual beings and ONLY spiritual beings, we have an intimate understanding of what The Is “feels.” (I use “Feel” as it is the closest symbol available for what I’m trying to say). We know exactly what we are to do and almost always do exactly that. The Is, having its own self-aware conscious mind wanted to create a being that could “feel” exactly what it wanted and then still “choose” to do something else. This, as I said, was in an attempt to create a being “in its own image” It’s like if you were having a dream and then in said dream your are visited by your friend. Your friend isn’t “really” inside your head, your friend in your dream is always being controlled by you, the dreamer. Now, you become aware of that fact inside your dream and then set to work on finding out a way to “dream up” a character that does what IT wants even when you “tell” it to do something else. God and the Devil two symbolic halves of the same whole.

Skaloop- Yes, I would look like a light or fog as a result of what you can see. When a three dimensional being crosses a two dimensional plain, any two dimensional being on that plain would only see the part of the three dimensional being that actually was on that plain. So if you had two dimensional shapes on a table and all the shapes could see was their two dimensional world and then you touched the table, it would be as if a dot suddenly appeared before them. And if you wiggled your finger it would look like a shape shifting dot. So it is with the third and forth dimension.

DeathMagus- I do actually press the keys. I type just like you all would type. I am subject to making the same mistakes.

RevSJamison- As the concept of worldlines is very tough to comprehend for most I’ll try and keep it as simple as possible. I’m not saying that you don’t understand, but that others may not. I am answering the questions and writing this almost “all at once.” I can see these world lines and “right now times” and I can exist, as you do (although you are not entirely aware) in multiple at one “time.” I can see all your questions. I enter into three dimensional space here and there, and “inject” answers. To you it seems like I’m here, then I’m gone, etc. With our two different perceptions of reality, that is just how it will appear. And my goal is not to bring another gospel. It is to inspire people to become more personal in dealings with spiritual matters. You all do know the truth. You all are extensions of The Is. You are spiritual beings. You are not Christian, or Jewish, or Islam, or any other word symbol. You all share the same origin, you, in the end, are all the same being. And when this being, The Is, speaks directly to you, it is called Love.

Two dimensional beings would not be able to "see" each other. And it's plane, not plain.

 

[DeathMagus]

Two dimensional beings would not be able to "see" each other.

Why not? They'd just see a one dimensional view of the world, just as we see a two-dimensional view of the world.

 

[Ahrehm]

I know that two dimensional beings would not be able to "see" each other. It's an example for the sake of argument. And there I go again confusing symbols. Admittedly, the use of these texts confuses me from time to time. My apologies.

 

[Skaloop]

Why not? They'd just see a one dimensional view of the world, just as we see a two-dimensional view of the world.

What would they see, though? They are on a 2D plane, "looking" across a 2D plane that has no thickness; there's no dimension to see. If they could see a line, that line would have 2 dimensions, which means that whatever they are seeing actually has 3 dimensions and is not 2D at all.

 

[Penumbra]

First, it will prevent you all from believing me entirely. Many of you will doubt and attempt to disprove me. This is necessary. Please ask as many questions of me as you wish. I will do my best to answer them the best I can for you.

Secondly, I will be able to spread a much needed message and project spiritual truth at a much greater rate than if we were to attempt a reveal. Even those who doubt my authenticity will still read the messages and will internally understand what I say is accurate. It is in your nature for the spiritual truth, when heard, read, or witnessed, to vibrate familiar in your abstract and spiritual subconscious selves. And with thousands of false profits and untrue messages, it is understandable for there to be much confusion.

It is your current state of mass spiritual detachment and confusion that brings me here.

I'll engage you in discussion.

Why do you want to prevent us from believing you entirely? You talk about thousands of false profits (and I assume you meant prophets), untrue messages, and spiritual confusion, yet you purposely don't want to provide us with an entire reason to believe you? You even said you came here because of confusion.

Aren't the scores of existing, contradictory, religions a testament to that approach not working? Isn't that the type of strategy that causes the confusion the first place? Why come and give partial, incomplete truths, and then be surprised that there is spiritual confusion? If your goal is to alleviate confusion, why not offer proof that is above and beyond anything all of these false prophets and messengers offered?

So, I am interested to hear your spiritual truth, but I would like to see a reason why I should accept it as spiritual truth, instead of filing in with my cabinet of one thousand untruths.

-Lyn

But I also entertained the notion, until I was about 3/4 the way through the OP. I also agree I can't know for certain, but I made what I feel is a reasonable determination. Besides he (it?) claimed to be from the 4th dimension, and technically, we're all in the 4th dimension of time, so...

Many psychics and new age spiritual people refer to "ether", the "other side" or whatever you want to call it as the fourth dimension. I don't know why, but it's common. So if you're confused why he (she, it?) is using that phrase, well, at least know it's common. Secondly, he mentioned vibration which is also commonly used by psychics and new age spiritual people. They talk about people having different vibrational levels, with more conscious beings having higher ones, the people in the afterlife having higher ones, and archangels and such having even higher. These higher beings have to lower their vibrations to interact with this world. (Or so it's believed).

 

[Ahrehm]

The reasoning is that if I appear here, on this internet, typos and all, you’ll most certainly doubt me. We never ever want anyone to simply accept anything as spiritual truth. One must learn of their own spirituality at their own pace individually. I’m simply providing you with information that may aid you all in your seeking. When one doubts, one must disprove. And yes, you can show typos, but ask yourself about the concepts. Reflect on the abstract. If there were a “true religion” it would be the “religion of no religion.” The religion of “individuality.” Make your religion your own name and update and change your beliefs on a day to day basis as you see best fit. So long as you are making an honest attempt at spiritual discovery, you will eventually succeed.

 

[Chesterton]

Many psychics and new age spiritual people refer to "ether", the "other side" or whatever you want to call it as the fourth dimension. I don't know why, but it's common. So if you're confused why he (she, it?) is using that phrase, well, at least know it's common.

Okay, but I would have really been more impressed if he'd said he was in The Fifth Dimension:

YouTube - Fifth Dimension Hits Medley - 1971 TV Special

 

[Penumbra]

The reasoning is that if I appear here, on this internet, typos and all, you’ll most certainly doubt me. We never ever want anyone to simply accept anything as spiritual truth. One must learn of their own spirituality at their own pace individually. I’m simply providing you with information that may aid you all in your seeking. When one doubts, one must disprove. And yes, you can show typos, but ask yourself about the concepts. Reflect on the abstract. If there were a “true religion” it would be the “religion of no religion.” The religion of “individuality.” Make your religion your own name and update and change your beliefs on a day to day basis as you see best fit. So long as you are making an honest attempt at spiritual discovery, you will eventually succeed.

So you're coming here because of confusion, yet apparently causing more by not wanting to reveal all truth for fear of people simply accepting it.

It looks like, then, that the divine is in a dilemma with the mortal. You want to tell us things, yet don't tell us things for fear of us actually believing you. So the state of confusion must be either intended, or a fundamental side-effect that your strategy cannot cope with effectively.

Regardless, here goes:
-Is there a goal of human life?
-Were you once a human?
-What must a human do to rid itself of the animal mind, and why would she or he want to do this? (The advantages and disadvantages of doing so, if any.)
-What happens when people die? Reincarnation? Nonexistence?
-Earlier you said that emotion is a product of the spiritual side, yet when people get overly emotional, such as fearful, jealous, or even in love, that is when they act the most illogical, the most animal-like. Fear causes animal instincts to take over, fight or flight responses and such. It also causes herd-like mentality. Love causes people to compete with one another for affection, which anyone can see by turning on the Discovery Channel and watching two male walruses compete with each other for female walruses. What is your response to this? Why is emotion the spiritual side if it is rooted in animal behavior?


-Lyn

 

[Jade Margery]

Hmm, there is a lovely book, I am trying to find it but cannot recall the title, about a two dimensional world and one of the creatures in it visiting the three dimensional world, I think... I shall keep looking. I always wanted to read it but couldn't find a copy.

Anyhoot, this is all quite interesting stuff, but should probably be in the philosophy forum. Not that I can blame you for posting it here instead--I wander over to philosophy from time to time and it's usually quite dull, where someone posts an interesting question and then things die with only a couple posts. Someone trying to put forth a message of peace and love and all that good stuff is going to be drawn to the forum that also draws the most strife, and while I haven't visited many of the other boards here I think it's a fair bet that after General Apologetics went down, Ethics and Morality would be the next best thing. Still, this is probably in the wrong forum.

These are some interesting philosophical meanderings though, dimensional home town of the author notwithstanding.

 

[Chesterton]

Hmm, there is a lovely book, I am trying to find it but cannot recall the title, about a two dimensional world and one of the creatures in it visiting the three dimensional world, I think... I shall keep looking. I always wanted to read it but couldn't find a copy.

It's called Flatland by Edwin Abbott. Wonderful book.

 

[Skaloop]

Hmm, there is a lovely book, I am trying to find it but cannot recall the title, about a two dimensional world and one of the creatures in it visiting the three dimensional world, I think... I shall keep looking. I always wanted to read it but couldn't find a copy.

Flatland.

Flatland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Veyrlian]

Tulc – A very informative article you have discovered and I encourage all here to read and play close attention to the concept of worldlines. It is basically what I’m referring to when I mention “right now” time. But as for math, as fantastic and solid as it can be for communicating symbolic facts, it is only that; an expression of symbolic fact. The Is does not speak in math. Math is a human attempt to describe with symbols what already exists. Since it is symbolic representation it will never be able to express reality, only describe. Math is the adjective for a noun which cannot be expressed in symbol..

Don't have much to say to this. Is this something that could be called meta-math?

Veyrlian- I actually did attempt to post in a Jewish forum but there were problems getting my account verified. I must say that it is VERY odd to be using human machinery in such a manner. Yes, we are capable of accomplishing some tasks which you would describe as physically impossible, but setting up e-mail, and clicking buttons, this is very strange for me. It is not that Christians have been “chosen” any more than anyone else. You are all right and wrong in all of your faith.

I can so sympathize with this. It must be an irony-meter shattering experience for an angel to have have registration problems while trying to join a jewish forum. These are the kinds of absurd things that make the world we live in interesting. Still, I have to wonder why only this and a jewish forum? Does geography matter to angels? What about religion? Do you only post on religious forums that acknowledge the possibility of angels? Why would that be?

Andreusz- I would rather not think of abilities as powers symbolically, but I know what you are asking. It’s very hard to elaborate on this topic as we are very much the same. All we are is you but without the conscious, symbolic, animal mind. You all are spiritual beings, and really, you have the qualities which we do not. See, as spiritual beings and ONLY spiritual beings, we have an intimate understanding of what The Is “feels.” (I use “Feel” as it is the closest symbol available for what I’m trying to say). We know exactly what we are to do and almost always do exactly that. The Is, having its own self-aware conscious mind wanted to create a being that could “feel” exactly what it wanted and then still “choose” to do something else. This, as I said, was in an attempt to create a being “in its own image” It’s like if you were having a dream and then in said dream your are visited by your friend. Your friend isn’t “really” inside your head, your friend in your dream is always being controlled by you, the dreamer. Now, you become aware of that fact inside your dream and then set to work on finding out a way to “dream up” a character that does what IT wants even when you “tell” it to do something else. God and the Devil two symbolic halves of the same whole.

In the OP you said that we all have the power to choose to be either spiritual beings or animal beings. As I see it, since we by your definition are formed of both of these states of existence, we don't have a choice. We can't be either-or, the most we can do is to compromise, and choose the side which we swing to the most. Here of course is the major arguing point which has occurred throughout human existence: which parts are the 'animal' parts, and which parts are the 'spiritual' ones. If you can shed a light on this dilemma by some other means than authoritative statements, I am intrigued.

Skaloop- Yes, I would look like a light or fog as a result of what you can see. When a three dimensional being crosses a two dimensional plain, any two dimensional being on that plain would only see the part of the three dimensional being that actually was on that plain. So if you had two dimensional shapes on a table and all the shapes could see was their two dimensional world and then you touched the table, it would be as if a dot suddenly appeared before them. And if you wiggled your finger it would look like a shape shifting dot. So it is with the third and forth dimension.

Why would four-dimensional beings look like fog in three? Shouldn't you look three-dimensional, except that you'd be missing some plains that we might never even expect to see?

DeathMagus- I do actually press the keys. I type just like you all would type. I am subject to making the same mistakes.

But please be more careful, and tell your friends to take some typing classes too, for I would love to see some winged kittens. Isn't it difficult to type as a fog?

RevSJamison- As the concept of worldlines is very tough to comprehend for most I’ll try and keep it as simple as possible. I’m not saying that you don’t understand, but that others may not. I am answering the questions and writing this almost “all at once.” I can see these world lines and “right now times” and I can exist, as you do (although you are not entirely aware) in multiple at one “time.” I can see all your questions. I enter into three dimensional space here and there, and “inject” answers. To you it seems like I’m here, then I’m gone, etc. With our two different perceptions of reality, that is just how it will appear. And my goal is not to bring another gospel. It is to inspire people to become more personal in dealings with spiritual matters. You all do know the truth. You all are extensions of The Is. You are spiritual beings. You are not Christian, or Jewish, or Islam, or any other word symbol. You all share the same origin, you, in the end, are all the same being. And when this being, The Is, speaks directly to you, it is called Love.

I'm quite certain that even if we know the “truth”. most of us either ignore it or misinterpret it How does that have any resemblance to the acclaimed original thing, and why should it be called truth?


I forgot to say before: welcome to the forums! Please remember the rules and kittens!

 

[Rajni]

Yes, but it is not to be over simplified.

How might it be oversimplified? (I'm assuming the above statement
was in response to my question in post 40)










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[Rajni]

How might it be oversimplified? (I'm assuming the above statement
was in response to my question in post 40)

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*bump*
Ehem ... Ahrehm? Are ya there?



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[Fin12]

Ahrem if you are a spiritual being, a question.

Has Lucifer figured out what Diana did to him yet?

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Now Ahremn, what has God told you about teasing people on the Internet with your presence? It just isn't nice to confuse them like that. You know, one day someone is going to track your IP number and find the cure for AIDS and you know that God is saving that for the Second Depression. Now come on, we have to go decide which kids will be born with autism. You shouldn't spend so much time in this place anyway. You are not Gabriel. And Gabriel certainly doesn't send messages over forums. He uses GMail. It's much safer and he gets to tab everything.












(SATIRESATIRESATIRESATIREOMGSATIREDON'TSETMEONFIREPLEASE)

 

[livingforlove]

Hey, Ahrehm - why is it that you haven't replied to my message. (Probably because you "can't"; right?)!!!

 

[Penumbra]

Perhaps peoples reactions did not work out as he thought they would.

-Lyn

 

[HighwayMan]

Hello,

My name is irrelevant, but here, symbolically it is Ahrehm. There is no simple way to ease into the proclamation I’m about to make and I fear that as a result you all may be entirely skeptical. Granted, your skepticism is both necessary and expected, I’m just worried that there won’t even be one among you who even bothers to engage me in conversation. Well, here it is: I am a forth-dimensional being. What some of you might call an “angel.” I am one of many assigned to assist with the spiritual development of your race, a race I have grown to both respect and admire for more reasons than I could ever possibly list. I love all of you.

Recently I have been given permission, after much debate and petitioning, to interact directly with you. Such interactions are rare indeed, often allowed only when a life is in immediate danger, or, in a calculated effort to redirect the course of humanity, when we host a reveal to chosen specific individuals. The latter has become increasingly risky and even in your past they achieve only approximately 60 percent of their intended goals. This interaction serves the purpose of neither. Admittedly, it is a rather experimental thing for us to do, but these times are trying for you all and we attempt to go where we are most needed.

My mission here is this: I am not to physically manifest myself to anyone as there is no one chosen. This is not so say that none among you are “worthy,” but not only must a candidate for a reveal posses a great spiritual knowledge, but there are a number of other factors that play a role in our decision making process (location, status, willingness, ability, lifespan etc.). I am only to interact anonymously with you over this internet. This will serve two purposes. First, it will prevent you all from believing me entirely. Many of you will doubt and attempt to disprove me. This is necessary. Please ask as many questions of me as you wish. I will do my best to answer them the best I can for you. Secondly, I will be able to spread a much needed message and project spiritual truth at a much greater rate than if we were to attempt a reveal. Even those who doubt my authenticity will still read the messages and will internally understand what I say is accurate. It is in your nature for the spiritual truth, when heard, read, or witnessed, to vibrate familiar in your abstract and spiritual subconscious selves. And with thousands of false profits and untrue messages, it is understandable for there to be much confusion.

It is your current state of mass spiritual detachment and confusion that brings me here. Your time on this world is at a crossroads. Many of you, (and I’m sorry for using the word “you” so often. I know I’m writing this in a religious forum so I presume many of you are attempting to search for truth and understanding yourselves. Often the “you” to whom I am referring is not the actual “you” reading this message) are reverting back to your animalistic self. See, there are two selves to you all. Symbolically these sides could be called the animal and the spiritual. In your lives you are always drifting toward one and away from the other. The animal self values things like material possession, social status, sexual conquests, etc. In the Bible (A book of amazing truths hidden in enormous lies and misinterpretations which we can discuss later) all the seven deadly sins are actions which lead you away from developing your spiritual self. They are traits that the “animal minded” posses. In my stay here, I’ll give much advice and instruction, but my first is always be working on the spiritual side of yourselves. You are a unique and amazing being. You have been given choice, and this internal struggle you face between spirit and animal is a beautiful and tragic thing, but it allows you to posses that ability to choose. We spiritual beings lead a desire-less existence. You are all spiritual beings AND animal creatures. Your existence allows you to choose weather or not you wish to become a spiritual being or an animal. It is truly fantastic to observe.

I have much more to discuss and will be back.
Feel what is called love.

That's great, just replace all the times you use "animal" with "human". To be sinful requires you to be aware of the moral applications of your actions, which animals are not. Nor do they destroy the planet they live on.