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Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm
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Well, I read through this whole thread and other than @Rescued One saying that the OP about sinners leaving hell was a rhetorical question; I'm not sure what the point of the thread is? (Other than arguments with @bling)?
Questions have been raised about the meanings of words like Sheol, hell, Gehenna, hades and "holding place of the dead"?
Which "all by nature being children of wrath"; When was the atonement secured is a possible question that can be deduced from the original "When did sinners get out of hell"?
It does appear from the book of Revelation that those who appear in heaven right after the "lamb as was slain" has commenced opening the scrolls have come from somewhere; as they appear in the passage as now standing in heaven.
We also have the passage about Jesus "preaching to the spirits in prison"; which is also commonly interpreted as his descent into hell.
Besides we also have "You have not left my soul in hell" (Both in Psalms and Acts.) And "led captivity captive".
Obviously though who'd been under judgment by nature; although had been redeemed; have escaped (at least) "the grave".
So... the question could be: "When did that happen" (of which there's an "eternal time" and an "earthly time"). The eternal time being "Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world" and the earthy time being upon Jesus's own death. As we see in Revelation Christ standing in heaven "as the lamb slain" opening the scrolls; is a "real event" that takes place prior to the resurrection.
Obviously as God can not die; the 2nd Person of the Trinity (the SON) being separated from the body of "the son" seems logical would return unto heaven. Although I don't believe "the lamb as was slain" was "The SON"; at least not in the context of the incarnation. IE "SON/son". The entity I believe was "the lamb as was slain" was the human soul of Jesus. Who was deemed worthy to open the scroll because he did not sin.
I conclude Jesus's soul entered Sheol before his flesh actually died. This I believe occurred at Passover when he encountered the "Angel fo the Lord" who "passed through the land" and slain the "first born" / "the lamb of God". And seems to me Jesus's body was still in possession of life because the SON can not die; i.e. who was still in possession of the flesh. And once his flesh died (of the departure of the SON) his human soul ascended to heaven. The body went into the grave and "rested on the Sabbath". because after all "the sabbath was made for man" And the son of man being "Lord of the Sabbath".
And so thus once Jesus's human soul ascends out of Sheol into heaven; all those awaiting the earthly completion of the atonement; ascend to heaven with him. Thus the passage in Revelation tells us that "these are they which came out of great tribulation". (I.E. the "great tribulation" is connected to the atonement.) The "one week" spoken of in Daniel runs from the Friday before the crucifixion until the point of Jesus's death. (It's a literal "one week".) "to seal up the covenant and make reconciliation for sin".
So though the rhetorical question is about the eternal nature of condemnation; the answer about the timeline of how condemnation is overcome (through the blood of the lamb) is the best of what I can gather of what I've found in Scripture.
Questions have been raised about the meanings of words like Sheol, hell, Gehenna, hades and "holding place of the dead"?
Which "all by nature being children of wrath"; When was the atonement secured is a possible question that can be deduced from the original "When did sinners get out of hell"?
It does appear from the book of Revelation that those who appear in heaven right after the "lamb as was slain" has commenced opening the scrolls have come from somewhere; as they appear in the passage as now standing in heaven.
We also have the passage about Jesus "preaching to the spirits in prison"; which is also commonly interpreted as his descent into hell.
Besides we also have "You have not left my soul in hell" (Both in Psalms and Acts.) And "led captivity captive".
Obviously though who'd been under judgment by nature; although had been redeemed; have escaped (at least) "the grave".
So... the question could be: "When did that happen" (of which there's an "eternal time" and an "earthly time"). The eternal time being "Jesus is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world" and the earthy time being upon Jesus's own death. As we see in Revelation Christ standing in heaven "as the lamb slain" opening the scrolls; is a "real event" that takes place prior to the resurrection.
Obviously as God can not die; the 2nd Person of the Trinity (the SON) being separated from the body of "the son" seems logical would return unto heaven. Although I don't believe "the lamb as was slain" was "The SON"; at least not in the context of the incarnation. IE "SON/son". The entity I believe was "the lamb as was slain" was the human soul of Jesus. Who was deemed worthy to open the scroll because he did not sin.
I conclude Jesus's soul entered Sheol before his flesh actually died. This I believe occurred at Passover when he encountered the "Angel fo the Lord" who "passed through the land" and slain the "first born" / "the lamb of God". And seems to me Jesus's body was still in possession of life because the SON can not die; i.e. who was still in possession of the flesh. And once his flesh died (of the departure of the SON) his human soul ascended to heaven. The body went into the grave and "rested on the Sabbath". because after all "the sabbath was made for man" And the son of man being "Lord of the Sabbath".
And so thus once Jesus's human soul ascends out of Sheol into heaven; all those awaiting the earthly completion of the atonement; ascend to heaven with him. Thus the passage in Revelation tells us that "these are they which came out of great tribulation". (I.E. the "great tribulation" is connected to the atonement.) The "one week" spoken of in Daniel runs from the Friday before the crucifixion until the point of Jesus's death. (It's a literal "one week".) "to seal up the covenant and make reconciliation for sin".
So though the rhetorical question is about the eternal nature of condemnation; the answer about the timeline of how condemnation is overcome (through the blood of the lamb) is the best of what I can gather of what I've found in Scripture.
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