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[Mark Quayle]

God did not force me to have faith.

Correct. He changed your nature from death to life, intrinsic in which is that he GAVE you faith.

One would not suppose that God "forced" Adam to have innocence, or forced him to have sight by which he walked with God in person.

God did not "force" anyone to be born the first time. Why would anyone, then, phrase it that he "forced me to have faith?"

 

[Rescued One]

By your theology, would God be causing them to sin?

GOD does not cause Christians to sin. He is using His power to conform us to Christ. We are learning to recognise and overcome sin.

Romans 1:6-7 NIV
6 And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.
7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.


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Being indwelt by the Holy Spirit they are being transformed by that Spirit to be conformed to Christ, They have become new creatures.

That does not address the question: "Do Christians sin?" This would suggest Christians do not sin, so how do Christian's sin?

 

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Non-Christians are not new creatures. Only God can initiate and give the new birth.

This does not explain why God gives some non-Christians a new Birth and does not give a new birth to others, which is what I am explaining.

 

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God did not force me to have faith.

All mature adults have a God given, "faith" in something and/or someone. They can have a trust in false gods for one. A "saving faith" is when the nonbeliever makes a free will choice to directs this general faith toward the Benevolent Creator willing to accept His help.

 

[Rescued One]

Because God didn't tell you all His reasons. You don't know any human who deserved or deserves to be saved.

 

[Rescued One]

All mature adults have a God given, "faith" in something and/or someone. They can have a trust in false gods for one. A "saving faith" is when the nonbeliever makes a free will choice to directs this general faith toward the Benevolent Creator willing to accept His help.

No Bible verse!

 

[bling]

GOD does not cause Christians to sin. He is using His power to conform us to Christ. We are learning to recognise and overcome sin.

Romans 1:6-7 NIV​

6 And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.​

7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:​

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.​

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I think I was asking this about Adam and Eve but if not, did God cause Adam and Eve to sin?

For Christians this goes back to the question: "Do Christians sin?"
You say: "GOD does not cause Christians to sin...", so either Christians do not sin or Christians sin of their own free will?"

 

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Because God didn't tell you all His reasons. You don't know any human who deserved or deserves to be saved.

I know there are no Christians deserving to be saved and God does tell us that.
God also wants all who are lost to be saved, but it is up to the person to of their own free will to humbly accept God's charity as pure undeserved charity.

 

[bling]

No Bible verse!

We have examples of people placing their "faith in idols".

 

[Rescued One]

We have examples of people placing their "faith in idols".

Use God's Word to verify your beliefs.

 

[Rescued One]

I know there are no Christians deserving to be saved and God does tell us that.
God also wants all who are lost to be saved, but it is up to the person to of their own free will to humbly accept God's charity as pure undeserved charity.

God never made free will capable of salvation! If He wanted Universal salvation, the Bible doesn't teach it.

 

[Rescued One]

The only way to receive or desire salvation from sin is for God to regenerate the sinner who is not interested. Your god, bling, doesn't give sinners faith in God and His Word.

 

[Rescued One]

We have examples of people placing their "faith in idols".

People believe many things without faith in God.

 

[Rescued One]

I think I was asking this about Adam and Eve but if not, did God cause Adam and Eve to sin?

Satan did.

 

[Rescued One]

“Salvation is from our side a choice; from the divine side, it is a seizing upon, an apprehending, a conquest by THE MOST HIGH GOD. Our accepting and willing are reactions rather than actions” – A.W. Tozer

John 6:44 explains the necessity of being drawn by God.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Rescued One said:
Being indwelt by the Holy Spirit they are being transformed by that Spirit to be conformed to Christ, They have become new creatures.

That does not address the question: "Do Christians sin?" This would suggest Christians do not sin, so how do Christian's sin?

That's a long way from what @Rescued One said. It only suggests that [true] Christians are not enslaved to sin, in the way that the lost are.

 

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Use God's Word to verify your beliefs.

Psalms 24: 3 Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord?

Who may stand in his holy place?

4 The one who has clean hands and a pure heart,

who does not trust in an idol

or swear by a false god.

Psalm 52:7 “Here now is the man who did not make God his stronghold but trusted in his great wealth and grew strong by destroying others!”

Psalm 62:10 Do not trust in extortion or put vain hope in stolen goods; though your riches increase, do not set your heart on them.

Isaiah 2:22 Stop trusting in mere humans, who have but a breath in their nostrils. Why hold them in esteem?

Isaiah 42:17 But those who trust in idols, who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’ will be turned back in utter shame.

Jeremiah 7:4 Do not trust in deceptive words and say, “This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord!”

Jeremiah 13:25 This is your lot, the portion I have decreed for you,” declares the Lord, “because you have forgotten me and trusted in false gods.

1 Corinthians 2:5 so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

 

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God never made free will capable of salvation! If He wanted Universal salvation, the Bible doesn't teach it.

Yes! the Bible does not teach Universal salvation.
The free will choice comes with "whosoever".
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Hebrews 4:11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

 

[Rescued One]

I believe ALL of God's word and am being conformed to the image of Christ by God. You can't save me or unsave me. No one has clean hands and a pure heart except the ones that CHRIST purchased. There is no other way.