Hell

[Simon_Templar]

I agree that there is a difference between what will happen to us and to them. Our resurrection is being transformed into incorruptible glory. Theirs obviously is not. However it does seem that they will have something like a physical body when the face judgement.

In mark chapter 9, for example, it makes the statement about those in torment, that their "worm does not die". The word used seems to refer to the worms that infest a dead body. This would seem an odd reference if they have no bodies.

Mark 9 shows one of the reasons why such confusion exists.. the word translated hell in mark 9 is a reference to gehenna, but the word hades which is a different place, has often also been translated hell.
thus the confusion of the two is common

 

[Rhamiel]

I wonder how they explain that little detail away?

the guy in the video did explain it, he said hell is a big place and he only saw part of it

 

[MrJim]

the guy in the video did explain it, he said hell is a big place and he only saw part of it

That reminded me of this part of the Lazarus/Rich Man passage:

Luke 16: 27 And he said, Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— 28 for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 But Abraham said, They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent. 31 He said to him, If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.

So if they do not hear Christ and the Scripture, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from a "trip to hell"...

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

Sorry to jump in so late.

Just wanted to add quickly. In my personal experience of becoming a Christian, the whole hell thing was probably one of the least important to me. I had a few friends who used to tell me, as a spiritualist and former wiccan that I was going to go to hell, and that I needed to repent and all of that. It never once made me think twice about my beliefs.

Know what did? Seeing that Jesus and the OT made sense on a lot of every-day life situations.

Granted, I've spent 95% of my life believing everyone goes to heaven..which probably influenced the lack of concern in that direction, but still. I have yet to see someone who has come from a non-Christian faith react well to "salvation".

Hope that came out okay. Just expressing how I feel about it.

Blessings and love,
Sarah

 

[Criada]

Ugh!
The video, and the nastiness here...

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Ugh!
The video, and the nastiness here...

Imagine what hell is really like...

 

[Criada]

frankly, would rather not just now...

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

frankly, would rather not just now...

Me neither.

 

[MrJim]

Fear of hell always was a seed in my mind during my "being evangelized" years. I can remember picking up a "This is Your Life" Chick tract. I can remember a little church near Swansboro NC that had this posted across the top of their church:

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

That stuff stuck in my head. It was not the "deciding factor" so to speak, but it was a seed that kept the door open I guess.

 

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Fear of hell always was a seed in my mind during my "being evangelized" years. I can remember picking up a "This is Your Life" Chick tract. I can remember a little church near Swansboro NC that had this posted across the top of their church:

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

That stuff stuck in my head. It was not the "deciding factor" so to speak, but it was a seed that kept the door open I guess.

This brings to mind the film, "A Thief In the Night". Always stuck in my head in my prodigal days. But still...didn't stop me from turning away from God during that time.

 

[simmeringabsolute]

(Psalm 25:14) The LORD confides in those who fear him; he makes his covenant known to them.

 

[Nadiine]

Jesus did use the fear of hell in His preaching. He was not like the "fly by night" preachers. ERGO, you can preach about hell and be like Jesus without being a fly by night preacher.

Jesus words often confounded His sheep and angered the Pharisees enough to grab rocks.

jn 6:66
From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.


jn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You're right, Jesus absolutely DID use fear of hell -
here's one here:

Luke 12:5
4"I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do.
5 "But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him! ​

If that doesn't make you panic and run to God for rescue, I doubt that anything else would.
That's a direct "fear tactic" if you ask my opinion - and it's effective too - it helps keep me on the right path becuz I know the penalty of refusing God to take the wide path to destruction:

Matthew 7:13
13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.​

Another use of warning of impending "destruction". These are forms of fear tactics - yes.
And don't parents even use this tactic of fear to keep their children from disobeying & doing wrong? The GOAL of a parent and God is protection of their child so they don't stray and fall into harm - so fear is one method of keeping them in obedience.

I see nothing wrong with it when the underlying motive is "LOVE". (to protect and keep from danger/harm).