Hell or the lake of fire?

[Lazarus Short]

Would you argue if somebody used the lake of fire and hell as synonyms, meaning practically the same?

Also, why did one of the stories in Mary Baxter's book match the story of a real life actress-to make her look credible?

Yes, I would argue that they are not the same. After all, even the KJV translators did not so far as to translate the LoF as "Hell."

If you are referring to her book titled "A Divine Vision of Hell," I think she did need to give it credibility. I consider it a bad novel.

 

[Ron Gurley]

The "Kingdom of God", the "Kingdom of Heaven" is an ACTUAL spiritual realms...NO SEPARATION from God!or the TRI-UNE GOD, and angels, and "believing" saved Man.

The "lake of fire" (Revelation) is an ACTUAL spiritual realm...SEPARATION from God!
for the unholy "trinity" (devil + anti-christ + false prophet) + death and Hades + (UNbelievers)

Revelation 19:20 [ Doom of the Beast (anti-christ) and False Prophet (anti-spirit) ]
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence,
by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil (satan/dragon/serpent) who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone,
where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

SEE ALSO: "furnace of fire"

Matthew 13:50
and will throw them (tares=unbelievers) into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Ron Gurley]

HELL YES:

"HELL" research...

The word "hell" from the Greek is mentioned 88 times in the Bible: ...BUT...

64 times as the Hebrew word "Sheol" in the OT, ...the lowest grave in the earth

11 times as "Hades" in the NT
1 time as "Tartarus",
12 times as "Geenna".

RESULT: inaccurate translations of similar words!

Hades... the abode or state of the dead: informal ( often not capital ) "hell"...See: Luke 17!

Tartarus ...from Latin, from Greek Tartaros, of obscure origin

Geenna ...OT: offal and refuse were slowly burned
NT Judaism: a place where the wicked are punished after death ...a place or state of pain and torment ... SYMBOLIC of "hell"

 

[Lazarus Short]

HELL NO - my own researches into that word yield the oldest meanings as "covered" or "hidden" as a noun, and "to cover" or "to hide" as a verb. It is also related to Hel, the Norse goddess of Helheim (House of Hel), where you supposedly went at death if you did not rate Valhalla. If memory serves, the OED says "hell" entered the English language about 850 AD, about the time we would expect of a Scandinavian loan word.

 

[Ron Gurley]

You may "research" anywhere you LIKE.

HELL YES! is supported by the Bible:
SCRIPTURA SUPREMA!
God is perfectly JUST.
Believers spend eternity in the heavenly realms.
UN-believers spend eternity in the "Lake of Fire".

Afraid of a little HEAT?

 

[Lazarus Short]

You may "research" anywhere you LIKE.

HELL YES! is supported by the Bible:
SCRIPTURA SUPREMA!
God is perfectly JUST.
Believers spend eternity in the heavenly realms.
UN-believers spend eternity in the "Lake of Fire".

Afraid of a little HEAT?

There we go again, with "research." Those quotation marks always call one's side of the question into question. Perhaps I should detail a bit more. There were hints in my KJV's center-column reference, which I went on to track down in Strong's, in Young's, in the OED, in www interlinear versions (Biblehub.com) and even in Norse mythology. Yes, I did "research" anywhere I liked - to find an answer to my trilemma:

Eternal Conscious Torment or
Annihilation or
Universal Reconciliation.

Not only did I use my Bible's CCR as a starting point, but I read every book, every chapter, every verse of the KJV. I found a bit of support (not much) for Annihilation. I found lots of support for ECT on the face of it, but when I saw past the bias and bad translation, and the patterns of how certain critical words were rendered, that support was gone. My conclusion was, and is, that Universal Reconciliation fits the text best, and with fewer problem verses.

"SCRIPTURA SUPREMA!" - Yes, in the original autographs, but too many current versions have been tweaked by human bias: ECT translator ==> ECT Bible. Simple.

"God is perfectly JUST." - Yes, He is. I keep saying this, but it does not seem to turn the light on for believers; that God's Justice was to send His Own Son to die for our benefit.

"Believers spend eternity in the heavenly realms." - YES!

"UN-believers spend eternity in the "Lake of Fire"." - The LoF is the Second Death, and nowhere is it called "Hell," except in the posts of Damnationists. That sounds final, but look at I Corinthians 15:26, "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death." Damnationists can only ignore this verse, which is just as much God's Word as any other, and the Scriptures must not contradict themselves. But I must ask, if Death itself is destroyed, apparently long after the events of the LoF, how can anyone still be dead and/or in Hell after that? No, this verse demands that the LoF must give up its dead. I can cite many other verses along such lines.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Post #126; "But I must ask, if Death itself is destroyed, apparently long after the events of the LoF, how can anyone still be dead and/or in Hell after that?

Death and Hades are metaphors... NOT SPIRITS!!. NOTHING is DESTROYED / ANNIHIALATED in the "lake of fire".

All SPIRITS immortal. Those cast into the "lake of fire" by a perfectly JUST are SPIRITS / SPIRIT BEINGS! They are SPIRITUALLY separated from God for eternity. They cannot enter the New Heavens + New Earth + New Jerusalem...a spiritual heavenly realm.

Revelation 19:20 [ Doom of the SPIRITS of the Beast and False Prophet ]
And the beast (anti-christ) was seized, and with him the false prophet (anti-spirit) who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown ALIVE into the "lake of fire" which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10 [ Doom of the SPIRITS of the unholy 3]
And the devil (satan/dragon/serpent) who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they (unholy 3) will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Is not in sequence BEFORE the following??

Revelation 21:8 [Doom of the SPIRITS of UNbelievers]
But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

 

[Ron Gurley]

No where does Scripture state that in "hell" aka LOTS of other meaings aka "lake of fire" that SPIRIT BEINGS / SPIRITS are "Annihilated".
I guess the "guessors" guessed wrong. They do not heed the Scripture that God is Perfectly JUST. They want Him to be only LOVE-ie.

GOD has anger, jealousy, wrath and vengeance...among other JUST attributes.