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Our bodies are the shell that profits nothing, belongs to this earth, dead, that's the problem and we just don't know who we are. Jesus said he is not from here and that the kingdom is within you. Jesus entered into darkness and walked among us, without him we're lost thinking this world is our home. Wake up!
 
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The book of Revelation speaks of evil spirits. Where do you think they dwell now, in heaven, earth, under the earth, in the sea:

Rev.5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

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Spirit is life giving oxygen, Holy Spirit is God giving life and Christ is above all.
 
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John speaks of a "door open in heaven" and a voice telling him to "come up here" (Rev.4:1). Then he says "I was in the Spirit" (4:2) and at length describes things & events in heaven. From this heavenly perspective "in the Spirit" is revealed to him what is detailed in chapter 5. Everyone in the universe, including the dead and demons, are worshipping the Lamb. This worship (v.13) uses the same worshipful words as the redeemed of vs 9-10 use in v.12. All this being in the context of salvation - "the Lamb that was slain" (v.12 & 13).

That is a description of universal worship, including those in heaven, on & under the earth, on the sea, & all that is in them, making it clear that no one is excluded. Were all actually doing this, worshipping God, in John's time many centuries ago? No. But God calls those things not being as being (Rom.4:17) and sees the end from the beginning (Isa.46:10). He gives this revelation of universal worship to John. Lest any say that it is a vision of the saved in the new earth after the wicked have been annihilated, he includes a reference to the sea, so it is clear he is talking about every being who ever existed before the new earth, Satan included.

This includes everyone in the universe, including the dead and demons:

Rev.5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

John speaks of "every creature" & to emphasize this again he repeats "and all that are in them":

Rev.5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

This worship (v.13) uses the same worshipful words as the redeemed of vs 9-10 use in v.12:

12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

All this being in the context of salvation - "the Lamb that was slain" (v.12 & 13).

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Hell is this World
  • Yew has the power to transform life from this to the next.
  • The mind is 1st renewed through Christ Jesus; the true life is the soul who is the true child of the living Father; we are called seeds scattered in the field of this earth.
  • The soul is within the organic matter of man, in darkness and sleeps imagining it's awake.
  • Jesus was born of flesh and blood; entered into darkness, died and rose again through the power of God. Now it's Yew's turn to follow after him & he made the way ready for Yew through forgiveness of sins and eternal life. It's time to be born again.
  • Yew "dies" through the good soil and enters into newness of life [matures] with Christ Jesus through renewing the mind; one asks Y.
  • The sun & rain on this earth is called a second reality are only through the First Mystery of Christ the little Yew entered into good soil. There are little Yews who do not enter into the good soil with Christ Jesus lives only for a short while and then dies prematurely; without fruit.
This is not easy to understand so when Yew is able to ask Y questions there is growth. Our minds need to wrap around the truth and look carefully into the fine glass in order to see out there what's in here. Jesus told us he was not from here, this world is not his home and where he is he's prepared a place for you. We work it out with our Lord.


  • Isaiah 44:22 word: "I have blotted out your transgressions like a cloud and your sins like mist; return to me, for I have redeemed you. "
 
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Nobody chooses hell.

Only via the life we lead. If we go against what God has said / written then we choose hell if it is a mortal sin etc and we don't repent. I am guilty of that. I do repent though but, I am sure I have a place waiting for me in hell. I hope not but my sinful ways are leading me there!
 
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My brother, whatever sin you have committed Christ's grace is sufficient. It was sufficient for the woman at the well. It was sufficient for Paul, who was a murderer and persecutor of Christians. It is sufficient for you. Your forgiveness and God's gift of eternal life do not depend on how terrible your past is, but on how great God's grace is. Rest in His amazing grace. He loves you.
 
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I don't believe in once saved always saved! We, gave to do our bit too.

We have to lead a life as written by Jesus.
 
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I don't believe in once saved always saved! We, gave to do our bit too.

We have to lead a life as written by Jesus.

Brother, I'm not asking you to believe in "once saved always saved". I'm encouraging you to trust that the sacrifice of Christ, his blood, was enough to forgive ALL your sins. I'm reminding you of His amazing grace. I'm praying that you will be able to grasp the depth and breadth of God's unstoppable love for YOU.
 
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I understand but, we have to pick up our cross and follow Jesus!

We cannot let Jesus suffer and die so that we have no care in the world.

I take it very seriously if I sin. I cannot and will not let jesus suffer without me suffering too!
 
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I understand but, we have to pick up our cross and follow Jesus!

We cannot let Jesus suffer and die so that we have no care in the world.

I take it very seriously if I sin. I cannot and will not let jesus suffer without me suffering too!

Brother, I'm glad you take your sin very seriously. We all should. I have felt God's discipline for my own sins. God does discipline us when we sin:

NIV Hebrews 12:6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son."
If God disciplines you when you sin, it is a sign of His love for you as His son.
 
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What does that have to do with this:

Rev.5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Unique Proof For Christian, Biblical Universalism

Universalism – The Truth Shall Make You Free

Eternity in the Bible by Gerry Beauchemin – Hope Beyond Hell
 
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With regard to Hell, some people think that it is a place of punishment for sin. Hell is the grave and the soul of a person dies. Ecclesiastes 9:5 says," For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten."(Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)
Adam and Eve's punishment for their serious sin would be death as stated by God and was pronounced and confirmed as such after their disobedience.Whereas if they were obedient they had everlasting life to look forward to.(Genesis ch.2,3;Romans 5:12)
There is no mention of a hellfire or place of torment that they would be subject to, though they selfishly sold their future offspring into the unfair condition of sin and eventual death.
This was in contrast to the gift of life that they had been granted.
Their failure to show respect for God's sovereignty by obeying His command to not eat of the fruit of a tree of His choosing made their punishment fitting and just as determined by God.(Genesis 2,3)





 
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