Hell Fire!!!

[@@Paul@@]

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.​

Is there anyone here besides than me that sees "Hell Fire" as something other than the place where those who reject Christ go to be tormented?

..........Just looking for some thoughts.

 

[Moma E]

nope..do not see it any different....

 

[CPman2004]

Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.​

Is there anyone here besides than me that sees "Hell Fire" as something other than the place where those who reject Christ go to be tormented?



..........Just looking for some thoughts.

Yeah. Hell fire could also mean the pure and holy justice Jesus will use to judge the non-believers.

 

[@@Paul@@]

nope..do not see it any different....

What if I said hell here could be referring to a place where dead bodies were buried and burned??

But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
(Mat 5:22 KJV)​

There seem to be three evolutions of punishment here. Eternal Punishment in a place of fire hardly seems to fit the crime.
(1) the judgment
(2) the council
(3) hell fire

We have the same saying in Mark.

Mar 9:38-48 KJV And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. (39) But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. (40) For he that is not against us is on our part. (41) For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward. (42) And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. (43) And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (44) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. (45) And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (46) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. (47) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: (48) Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.​

Now read this millennial passage.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
(Isa 66:23-24 KJV)​

It seems there will be a place, on earth, where the dead are not buried and the carcasses of those who transgress against God are burned (the fire is never quenched). IF this is "hell" in the modern sense of the word: Why to people walk by and see the bodies?

Here are some interesting thoughts by Albert Barnes.

Hell fire - The original of this is “the gehennah of fire.” The word gehenna, γέεννα geenna, commonly translated “hell,” is made up of two Hebrew words, and signifies the valley of Hinnom. This was formerly a pleasant valley near to Jerusalem, on the south. A small brook or torrent usually ran through it and partly encompassed the city. This valley the idolatrous Israelites devoted formerly to the horrid worship of Moloch, 2Ki_16:3; 2Ch_28:3. In that worship, the ancient Jewish writers inform us, the idol of Moloch was of brass, adorned with a royal crown, having the head of a calf, and his arms extended as if to embrace anyone. When they offered children to him they heated the statue within by a great fire, and when it was burning hot they put the miserable child into his arms, where it was soon consumed by the heat; and, in order that the cries of the child might not be heard, they made a great noise with drums and other instruments about the idol. These drums were called תּף toph, and hence a common name of the place was Tophet, תּפת Tophet, Jer_7:31-32.
After the return of the Jews from captivity, this place was held in such abhorrence that, by the example of Josiah 2Ki_23:10, it was made the place where to throw all the dead carcasses and filth of the city, and was not unfrequently the place of public executions. It became, therefore, extremely offensive; the sight was terrific; the air was polluted and pestilential; and to preserve it in any manner pure, it was necessary to keep fires continually burning there. The extreme loathsomeness of the place; the filth and putrefaction; the corruption of the atmosphere, and the lurid fires blazing by day and night, made it one of the most appalling and terrific objects with which a Jew was acquainted. It was called the gehenna of fire, and was the image which our Saviour often employed to denote the future punishment of the wicked.
In this verse it denotes a degree of suffering higher than the punishment inflicted by the “court of seventy,” or the Sanhedrin, and the whole verse may therefore mean, “He that hates his brother without a cause is guilty of a violation of the sixth commandment, and shall be punished with a severity similar to that inflicted by the court of judgment. He that shall suffer his passions to transport him still further, so that he shall make his brother an object of derision and contempt, shall be exposed to severer punishment, corresponding to that which the Sanhedrin (council) inflicts. But he who shall load his brother with odious appellations and abusive language shall incur the severest degree of punishment, represented by being burned alive in the horrid and awful valley of Hinnom.”
The amount, then, of this difficult and important verse is this: The Jews considered but one crime a violation of the sixth commandment, namely, actual murder, or willful, unlawful taking life. Jesus says that the commandment is much broader. It relates not only to the external act, but to the feelings and words. He specifies three forms of such violation:
1. Unjust anger.
2. Anger accompanied with an expression of contempt.
3. Anger, with an expression not only of contempt, but wickedness.
Among the Jews there were three degrees of condemnation: that by the “judgment,” the “council,” and the “fire of Hinnom.” Jesus says likewise there shall be grades of condemnation for the different ways of violating the sixth commandment. Not only murder shall be punished by God, but anger and contempt shall be regarded by him as a violation of the law, and punished according to the offence. As these offences were not actually cognizable before the Jewish tribunals, he must mean that they will be punished hereafter, and all these expressions therefore relate to degrees of punishment proportionate to crime in the future world - the world of justice and of woe.

 

[ZiSunka]

for their worm shall not die...
Where their worm dieth not...

What worm? What's this worm all about?

 

[@@Paul@@]

for their worm shall not die...
Where their worm dieth not...

What worm? What's this worm all about?

I believe it's referring to the condition of the burning bodies. Their fire will never be quenched nor will the worm die.

Isa 66:23-24 KJV And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. (24) And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
​

During the millennium, all flesh will travel to Jerusalem to worship Christ, I'm assuming some (or all) will walk by the burning carcases

Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. .​

I think the worm aids in decomposing the bodies... However, these worms do not die, meaning the bodies will not decompose.

Some wonderful thougths for a Thursday morning!!!

 

[ZiSunka]

Ewww! I pity the poor people who have to endure the Millenium!

 

[Moma E]

@@Paul@@
were you mocking me in your earlier post
hmm???

I have a question toooo. The words "in danger of" to me that does not seem like an absolute. So it is a possiblility these things could happen.?

Like "I am in danger of falling." if I do not move away from the edge

or "If you continue saying that you are in danger of offending someone" etc...

Any thoughts??

 

[ZiSunka]

were you mocking me in your earlier post
hmm???

Moma E, I never mock anyone, and least of all you! I've never found anything to mock about you or your posts.

I have a question toooo. The words "in danger of" to me that does not seem like an absolute. So it is a possiblility these things could happen.?

Like "I am in danger of falling." if I do not move away from the edge

or "If you continue saying that you are in danger of offending someone" etc...

Any thoughts??

That's a good question. I hope someone has the answer because I want to know, too.

 

[Moma E]

OH Lambslove I am so sorry.. I was talking to Paul... guess i was not clear.. In his response to my first post.. I was teasing him.... so sorry . OI guess I should have quoted him...but it was SOOOOOO long

 

[@@Paul@@]

@@Paul@@
were you mocking me in your earlier post
hmm???

I have a question toooo. The words "in danger of" to me that does not seem like an absolute. So it is a possibility these things could happen.?

Like "I am in danger of falling." if I do not move away from the edge

or "If you continue saying that you are in danger of offending someone" etc...

Any thoughts??

Mocking you? You've been watching the Princess Bride again uh???

Yes, "in danger of" is not absolute... During the millennium there will be swift judgment for those who transgress. Letting your frame of mind corrode to the point of calling someone a fool is not a good thing.

God will judge the heart of man in those days. By letting yourself call someone a fool > you would be in danger of “judgment” (but the act is not how they will be judged)…

 

[Moma E]

Good explanation..I was sorta thinging the same.. soooo Is hell fire.. the hell we think of.. I still say yes. you??

 

[@@Paul@@]

Ewww! I pity the poor people who have to endure the Millenium!

I think i'd rather keep the feasts every year under a righteous reign than live in todays sin infested world...

...or were you talking about walking by the burning dead bodies??

(I believe the Nile AND the Euphrates are supposed to dry up to allow passage to Jerusalem - in those days, the smart one's will walk around )

 

[ZiSunka]

I've been studying Revelation this week, and I have to say that it is getting less and less confusing as world events unfold. I think we might be looking at the last days before the events of Revelation and Daniel and the other End of Time prophecies begin to happen.

Anyone else think that and feel a little afraid?

 

[Iosias]

What if I said hell here could be referring to a place where dead bodies were buried and burned??

So you are an annihilationist?

 

[@@Paul@@]

I've been studying Revelation this week, and I have to say that it is getting less and less confusing as world events unfold. I think we might be looking at the last days before the events of Revelation and Daniel and the other End of Time prophecies begin to happen.

Anyone else think that and feel a little afraid?

As our Pastor said last week when talking about Iran > Everything's in place, It could happen any moment.

Scared, yes... Afraid, No...

The thin to remember is Christ said He would never leave us, Just because He's been a little quite over the last 2000+ years does not mean He wasn't there................ If we are getting close; He will not be quit for long.

Joh 14:22-27 KJV Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? (23) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.​

Here's a great study!! Guess what happened everytime a Tabernacle / Temple was completed?

Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation (abode) of God through the Spirit.​

 

[Iosias]

Anyone else think that and feel a little afraid?

No...my hope lies in Christ who faileth not. He WILL come for me and save me from the seven-years of wrath!

 

[@@Paul@@]

So you are an annihilationist?

I'm not sure what that is... So i don't know!!

 

[ZiSunka]

I guess I meant scared more than afraid, too. I worry about my unsaved sister. I love her more than any other person and I can't imagine being happy without her. I know if her husband got saved, she would, too and so would their son. Please pray for all of them.

And what DID happen after the completion of each temple?

 

[Iosias]

w

I'm not sure what that is... So i don't know!!

The doctrine of annihilationism teaches that man was created immortal. But those who continue in sin and reject Christ are by a positive act of God deprived of the gift of immortality and are ultimately destroyed.