Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

[Dreyma]

A hellish experience of some sort likely exists. The important question is whether it is endless / everlasting as commonly taught.

It is unlikely that a just God would punish limited people with unlimited torture.

I hope you're right. That does seem more just to me.

 

[JulieB67]

It is unlikely that a just God would punish limited people with unlimited torture.

Exactly

 

[Lukaris]

I hope you're right. That does seem more just to me.

I believe much of salvation by grace and the idea of works ( Ephesians 2:8-10) is a simple hope for the salvation of others. The Lord’s Prayer ( Matthew 6:9-13) is as much for ourselves as well as others. Jesus Christ tells us to pray for evangelists and evangelism ( Matthew 9:36-38). Paul tells us the purpose of this in 1 Timothy 2:1-6.

I am not speaking as some kind of pseudo sublime guy; I often feel frustrated in daily life. Hell is unfortunately real but not inevitable to anyone. This is why I so strongly believe in the golden rule ( Matthew 7:1-12) & that anyone is judged by the light given them ( Romans 2:1-16). This is where the Lord’s commandments ( Matthew 22:36-40, Romans 13:8-10, etc.) click in for me for prayer, whatever charity I can practice ( Matthew 6:1-4). I drive a 12 year old car & do general warehouse labor.

There is a wrong way to think of ourselves in failing to truly live by faith & the Lord shows us this in Luke 18:9-14. I have often found what Paul writes in 2 Corinthians 9:6-15 helpful in summing up living by faith. This is where reading Romans 8:1-39 also starts to click in for me if I remember having a hope for others is included in my thoughts.

 

[Dan1988]

Well, this would certainly explain why you can't answer simple questions about your beliefs on certain verses and how ours are taken out of context. Someone that has the truth as you claim would have easily been able to do so. But you can't.


Are you joking? We have posted scripture over and over and you continually ignore sound scripture. You've never once addressed any scripture I've posted. I'm a scripture person first and foremost. You are not. You mainly pass judgement and resort to insults.


You do realize we are supposed to test them? See if what they are stating can be supported? It's biblical to do so. The Bereans searched the scriptures daily. Were they being arrogant as well? Of course not. And we are told to test all things. We aren't told we need a degree first.

And it's good to question them as well. I grew up in a Baptist church that taught false doctrine. If you would rather follow man than God, so be it. I choose to put my faith in Him and his Word. Am I still learning? Of course as we all should be because the Word can open up at different times. And it's God that gives the increase.

Just because someone has a degree, does not mean they have the truth.




Funny how you post all of these verses and yet are still can't see the truth within them about life and death. There's a distinction. One has everlasting life and the other does not. You have to add to these verses to produce a doctrine. And we know the punishment for that. So again, we have to be very careful.

But in posting these verses you are in fact making our argument for us, not against us concerning life and death.

I can't answer questions which ae based on a false premise, it's like asking me how tall was the real Mickey Mouse and then mocking me for not answering an silly nonsensical question. That's absolutely ridiculous.

No, No, No, you've never posted a single verse to support your heretical theory that death means annihilation or cessation of existence, so please stop lying. You can't find any because they don't exist outside of your wild imagination.

The Berrien's were knew next to nothing compared to people like me, it was all new to them and they were amazed, ,so much so they had to check the scriptures to confirm what they heard was real. But I'm a born again Christian, who doesn't need to check anything because I know the truth of the gospel already.

So before you go checking to see if those things are so, how about you first join a bible class for beginners so you can at least learn the basics. Then you may be equipped to evaluate something.

There's no point in questioning anyone, until you know the truth. If you don't know the truth, then you don't know if someone is lying to you.

 

[Dan1988]

As were those Jesus was continually at odds with.

I knew I could rely on you to miss the pink elephant in the corner of the room. There's a slight but an important difference between my Pastor and the Pheresis, yes both are highly educated but they were highly indoctrinated with false doctrine or the "doctrine of demons". But my Pastor is highly educated in Theology.

So it's back to the drawing board for you, it seems you have a lot to learn

 

[Dan1988]

So you are a follower of Jesus' only good news, the Gospel of the Kingdom?

Yes, I am a born again Christian, in other words "a follower of the Lord Jesus". I thought that was obvious, or is your question loaded

 

[RamiC]

I can't answer questions which ae based on a false premise,

Fine, please explain the false premise. What is it?

 

[Andrewn]

I hope you're right. That does seem more just to me.

If my cat or my dog made a mess, how much punishment do they deserve? Very little, if at all. I would be an evil person if I torture them.

Despite our pitfalls and addictions, we trust ourselves and others in the loving hands of God and Christ.

 

[JulieB67]

I can't answer questions which ae based on a false premise,

I asked for your beliefs about the scriptures I posted? Do you understand that question? I then asked how are we taking things out of context in those same verses? If you can't answer those than I would start to question your teachers.

then mocking me for not answering an silly nonsensical question.

It was a simple question about scriptures. You claim to have all the truth so you should be able to have an honest discussion about scripture and what your beliefs are about said scriptures. But you continually refuse to do so and resort to insults.

No, No, No, you've never posted a single verse to support your heretical theory that death means annihilation or cessation of existence, so please stop lying. You can't find any because they don't exist outside of your wild imagination.

At this point I'm not even sure if you're a Christian or a troll. And that's an honest statement. If would only explain why you continue to lie. I and others have posted scriptures, you can look back on this thread and see them. Even you posted scriptures that point to our argument, not yours.

Here once again are just a few-

Malachi 4:1 "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave then neither root nor branch.

God is making it very clear that there will be nothing left.

Malachi 4:3 "And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts."

Destroy in the Hebrew shamad
1. to desolate

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
destruction, bring to nothing, overthrow, perish, pluck down, utterly
A primitive root; to desolate -- destroy(- uction), bring to nought, overthrow, perish, pluck down, X utterly.


Psalms 145:20 "The Lord preserveth all them that love Him: But all the wicked will He destroy."


Psalms 37:20 "But the wicked shall perish, And the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Once again, God can't be any more clear. The wicked will consume away, into smoke, shall they consume away. You can try and work around these verses but again, you put them all together and with Christ's teaching it tells us without a doubt what will happen to the wicked.


Psalms 37:38 "But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: The end of the wicked shall be cut off.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

II Thessalonians 1:9 "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"

But if one wants to redefine certain words and add to God's Word to believe in a doctrine, have at it. I try to always take the bible as a whole and even common sense goes a long way when in reading the Word, we see and learn the very nature of God.

But I'm a born again Christian, who doesn't need to check anything because I know the truth of the gospel already.

Wow, ever heard of the word humility?

Paul told us to test "all things" Are you above Paul? The Word of God should always be our standard, yes even verses our teachers. Christ also taught against false shepherds.

So before you go checking to see if those things are so, how about you first join a bible class for beginners so you can at least learn the basics.

Why so I can come away with the milk of God's Word? Something I was fed over and over in churches. Paul states we are to move past that.

Do you not really feel equipped to handle at lease some of God's Word on your own? I've learned more on my own than I did years sitting on a church pew- that's the problem with so many. Am I still growing in the Word? I believe so and hopefully I will continue to do so as I study every day. But I have at least read it in it's entirety, something I'm seriously doubting you have done. If you had you would be able to have a honest biblical discussion without resorting to insults, judgement, etc.

 

[timothyu]

But my Pastor is highly educated in Theology.

Biblical or denominational?

 

[timothyu]

Yes, I am a born again Christian, in other words "a follower of the Lord Jesus". I thought that was obvious, or is your question loaded

So, like Jesus, your only gospel is of the Kingdom?