Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

[timothyu]

The former produces real transformation

Described as what?

 

[RamiC]

I take this to mean you don't believe in a literal Hell? Are you saying it's a scare tactic invented by church leaders to maintain order?

I believe it is a spritual state of separation from God, the people who are in it do not want to be anywhere near Him. He will not drag people to Him if they do not want to be there, that would be rude, and God is not rude.

Jesus is looking for those who sincerely desire to know Him, not trying to control anyone with fear. He came to earth in order to show us how much He loves us, not to scare people into control.

 

[RamiC]

I already believe in the Lord. However, even the demons believe and shudder, so that's not much consolation to me.

There is definitely a difference between so-called "saving faith" and mere knowledge. The former produces real transformation, which I have not experienced.

It can be slow, and steady. It is not always a sudden revolution.

 

[RamiC]

If God wants me to go to hell I will do it, I pray for His will to be done

He does not.

"16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

 

[Dreyma]

It can be slow, and steady. It is not always a sudden revolution.

I know. Sanctification is a lifelong process, and there are ups/downs. I think there should be an upward trend over the years, though.

 

[Dreyma]

Described as what?

There are plenty of descriptions in the Bible of what it looks like to live in the spirit rather than the flesh.

But if you're wanting it in my words... I guess it seems to me that there are two main changes:
1) A heart change - You grow in your love for God and others.
2) A life change - You turn from living for self to living for God.

(Of course, the two changes are not easily separated. The second change flows from the first.)

 

[RamiC]

I know. Sanctification is a lifelong process, and there are ups/downs. I think there should be an upward trend over the years, though.

Yes. Whatever your struggles with faith are, Jesus does understand them, with impeccable accuracy. You can just start with telling Him everything, ask Him about anything, your time is better spent praying than worrying.

I hope you live to have confidence in His love for you.

 

[Lukaris]

I know. Sanctification is a lifelong process, and there are ups/downs. I think there should be an upward trend over the

See 2 Thessalonians 2:13 & read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-17. Also 1 Corinthians 13:12-13.

 

[timothyu]

I believe it is a spritual state of separation from God, the people who are in it do not want to be anywhere near Him. He will not drag people to Him if they do not want to be there, that would be rude, and God is not rude.

As it already is in earth

 

[timothyu]

But if you're wanting it in my words... I guess it seems to me that there are two main changes:
1) A heart change - You grow in your love for God and others.
2) A life change - You turn from living for self to living for God.

Agreed
Scripture says no more selfishness, loving all as self and forgiving those who wrong you. Not really a stretch, unless self-interest is your god.

 

[timothyu]

"16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

This fellow clearly explains what is required in this short, Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom

 

[RamiC]

This fellow clearly explains what is required in this short, Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom

Well if that video works for some people, great. I do agree about two kingdoms, the Holy Spirit must make contact with us, then we are in.

 

[timothyu]

then we are in.

Not quite. We represent. It's not about what is in it for us. That is selfishness. It is all about the Father overcoming adversity.

 

[RamiC]

Not quite. We represent.

Okay, I merely meant we end up in the Kingdom of Grace, and can see the spiritual warfrare part.

I am not sure that I understand "represent".

 

[timothyu]

I am not sure that I understand "represent".

I edited.

 

[RamiC]

I edited.

Yes, He is looking for us to love Him, so we can love others as He loves us. Present tense, because He is alive.

No one is saved by being terrified of hell, but by being keen to know Him. I do believe there is a hell, but it is not there to frighten people.

 

[timothyu]

Yes, He is looking for us to love Him, so we can love others as He loves us. Present tense, because He is alive.

No one is saved by being terrified of hell, but by being keen to know Him. I do believe there is a hell, but it is not there to frighten people.

I suggest putting the Father and His agenda first.

 

[RamiC]

I suggest putting the Father and His agenda first.

If you mean that as a way to get to know Him and His love, I am inclined to agree, that is a good way to find out.

 

[timothyu]

If you mean that as a way to get to know Him and His love, I am inclined to agree, that is a good way to find out.

No, I mean His agenda existed before our universe was even created, and it is ongoing... His battle against adversity in first the elohim and then us later. It is still ongoing. "His will be done in earth as it is in heaven". Why should we cut in line and think it is all about us instead?