Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

[timothyu]

He will not allow me to fall victim to the doctrine of demons

So you are a follower of Jesus' only good news, the Gospel of the Kingdom?

 

[Dreyma]

I hope this is true, though I doubt it. Every Bible teacher I've studied under has taught that Hell is a real place. They've provided Scriptural support for that position, though I'm drawing a blank at the moment... What comes to mind immediately is the parable with the rich man thirsting for even a drop of water to alleviate his pain. Parables aren't always meant to be taken literally, though. I also think of the Lake of Fire in Revelation, but many of the passages in Revelation are only symbolic. Those pieces of evidence aren't very compelling on their own, I'll admit.

I don't know; I'd have to do some research.

If it were true, it would certainly erase my fears about not being saved and suffering excruciating torture for eternity...

 

[Lukaris]

I hope this is true, though I doubt it. Every Bible teacher I've studied under has taught that Hell is a real place. They've provided Scriptural support for that position, though I'm drawing a blank at the moment... What comes to mind immediately is the parable with the rich man thirsting for even a drop of water to alleviate his pain. Parables aren't always meant to be taken literally, though. I also think of the Lake of Fire in Revelation, but many of the passages in Revelation are only symbolic. Those pieces of evidence aren't very compelling on their own, I'll admit.

I don't know; I'd have to do some research.

If it were true, it would certainly erase my fears about not being saved and suffering excruciating torture for eternity...

We have to remember that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin. We can also understand that God forgives in ways He knows & we do not ( Matthew 12:30-37 in relation to all of Matthew 12:1-50.

I try to remember the golden rule ( Matthew 7:1-12) & the Lord’s commandments ( Matthew 22:36-40) in my understanding of this & not presume my limited scope in relation to God ( Romans 9:14-18).

 

[Dreyma]

How does this relate to what I was saying about the issue of whether Hell exists? (I don't mean that in a rude way. I'm just confused, sorry.)

 

[Dreyma]

@Lukaris I meant to quote you in my last post, but it looks like that didn't work. Whoops.

 

[Lukaris]

How does this relate to what I was saying about the issue of whether Hell exists? (I don't mean that in a rude way. I'm just confused, sorry.)

I mean that if someone is guilty of the unforgivable sin then where else will they end up but in hell? I don’t know precisely what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is ( I can think of examples like say an unrepentant murderer but that’s it).

 

[RamiC]

I hope this is true, though I doubt it. Every Bible teacher I've studied under has taught that Hell is a real place. They've provided Scriptural support for that position, though I'm drawing a blank at the moment... What comes to mind immediately is the parable with the rich man thirsting for even a drop of water to alleviate his pain. Parables aren't always meant to be taken literally, though. I also think of the Lake of Fire in Revelation, but many of the passages in Revelation are only symbolic. Those pieces of evidence aren't very compelling on their own, I'll admit.

I don't know; I'd have to do some research.

If it were true, it would certainly erase my fears about not being saved and suffering excruciating torture for eternity...

How can I know if I am saved? | GotQuestions.org

 

[RamiC]

I mean that if someone is guilty of the unforgivable sin then where else will they end up but in hell? I don’t know precisely what blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is ( I can think of examples like say an unrepentant murderer but that’s it).

There are varied theories on that.

Are you saying that you believe that only those guilty of the unforgiveable sin go to hell?

 

[Dreyma]

How can I know if I am saved? | GotQuestions.org

I'm sad to say I have read this article and many others like it before.

To answer the questions posed there:
I have not repented of my sins. I'm no longer the person I used to be (in a sense), but that's because I've become more sinful and doubtful with age. If the Holy Spirit is in me, I see no inward or outward evidence of that. I rarely read the Bible outside of church, and I don't obey its commands as I ought. I don't share the gospel because my fear of being judged is greater than my love for others.

Given all of that, I would say the obvious answer is: No, I'm still dead in my sin.

 

[Dreyma]

I mean that if someone is guilty of the unforgivable sin then where else will they end up but in hell?

Well, the theory posited by OP is that they do not "end up" anywhere but are instead destroyed.

I would agree with you, though. I think Hell is a real place.

 

[timothyu]

If it were true, it would certainly erase my fears about not being saved and suffering excruciating torture for eternity...

It worked as a tool for the institutional church for centuries, and failing that, there was always burning at the stake to maintain order.

 

[Lukaris]

There are varied theories on that.

Are you saying that you believe that only those guilty of the unforgiveable sin go to hell?

Since I don’t know what that sin is precisely, I don’t know. I just know the Lord says that there is an unforgiven sin (referring to Matthew 12:30-37).

 

[Dreyma]

It worked as a tool for the institutional church for centuries, and failing that, there was always burning at the stake to maintain order.

I take this to mean you don't believe in a literal Hell? Are you saying it's a scare tactic invented by church leaders to maintain order?

 

[timothyu]

Hell is cast into Hell ??

Revelation 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.​

 

[timothyu]

I take this to mean you don't believe in a literal Hell? Are you saying it's a scare tactic invented by church leaders to maintain order?

See post 734. Human power always uses fear to control (and they employed a good bit of torture also)

 

[Lukaris]

I'm sad to say I have read this article and many others like it before.

To answer the questions posed there:
I have not repented of my sins. I'm no longer the person I used to be (in a sense), but that's because I've become more sinful and doubtful with age. If the Holy Spirit is in me, I see no inward or outward evidence of that. I rarely read the Bible outside of church, and I don't obey its commands as I ought. I don't share the gospel because my fear of being judged is greater than my love for others.

Given all of that, I would say the obvious answer is: No, I'm still dead in my sin.

Believe in the Lord ( John 3:16). He helps us when we are confused ( Mark 9:23-24).

 

[RamiC]

I'm sad to say I have read this article and many others like it before.

To answer the questions posed there:
I have not repented of my sins. I'm no longer the person I used to be (in a sense), but that's because I've become more sinful and doubtful with age. If the Holy Spirit is in me, I see no inward or outward evidence of that. I rarely read the Bible outside of church, and I don't obey its commands as I ought. I don't share the gospel because my fear of being judged is greater than my love for others.

Given all of that, I would say the obvious answer is: No, I'm still dead in my sin.

My opinion would be that none of the rest will work, without repentence.

You will be forgiven, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.” - 1 John 1:9".

You can pray for understanding about what sin is, and what yours are, You can look out for people in real life who are the way you wish to be, people with faith that you desire to have, and then pray to be made like them.

 

[Dreyma]

Believe in the Lord ( John 3:16).

I already believe in the Lord. However, even the demons believe and shudder, so that's not much consolation to me.

There is definitely a difference between so-called "saving faith" and mere knowledge. The former produces real transformation, which I have not experienced.

 

[another_lost_guy]

If God wants me to go to hell I will do it, I pray for His will to be done

 

[Lukaris]

I already believe in the Lord. However, even the demons believe and shudder, so that's not much consolation to me.

There is definitely a difference between so-called "saving faith" and mere knowledge. The former produces real transformation, which I have not experiencedi

I already believe in the Lord. However, even the demons believe and shudder, so that's not much consolation to me.

There is definitely a difference between so-called "saving faith" and mere knowledge. The former produces real transformation, which I have not experienced.

I later added Mark 9:23-24.