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That is independent of the rules and doctrines of their denomination? Focusing only on the Gospel of the Kingdom? Won't find one.But I would suggest you join a bible class, which is led by an ordained Minister.
I quoted from the CSB. The word “now” is not present in the Greek and was added by the CSB translators to align with their theological beliefs. You can also find it in some other translations of the same ilk, like the NIV and NLT.Who do you think are those who are now dead?
I think so, too. You and I share many views, even though our Christian backgrounds might be quite different.I believe at the beginning.
I think we do.I think so, too. You and I share many views, even though our Christian backgrounds might be quite different.
Or the likes of you. You've no guarantee that you aren't one of the Evil Robots, now do you?Talk about filling in the blanks, do you really think that God has to justify everything He does to the likes of yourself.
Really? How interesting! How long have you been into amateur psychology?You come across like a control freak
Nah, I just sit back and marvel at the sort of rubbish that some folks believe that God does or doesn't do based on God-only-knows what. And part of the marvel is how that can blow and posture and pontificate s though they'd been given their, she we say, dubious, notions of what God will or won't do via Divine revelation of some sort., who demands detailed explanation of every single thing God does.
How novel! I'd have sworn that He hangs on your every word. <Laugh>
- Isaiah 40:13-14 These verses highlight that God has no need for counsel from humanity
The actually question isn't whether God should accept my counsel, but whether anyone at all should accept yours. I read the Gospels, and I read your beliefs, and I'm dogged if I see very much overlap there. Why did our Lord have to die if He had already who would roast and who wouldn't before He created Adam.
- "Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, Or as His counselor has taught Him?"
Not with you, matey; on that we may rely.
- "With whom did He take counsel
Jipsah would never reveal what he actually believes. So he didn't say what I said in the same words, but it is to the same effect.Can you please show me where Jipsah said anything in the post you were quoting from him that sounded anything like he shuns God's order or design? Or are you again just making such a wild accusation because he disagrees with you not on who Jesus Christ is, that He is our Savior and died on the cross for our sins and raised from the dead, but disagrees with you on the nature of death and/or hell? You know, like you've already done multiple times with me, him, Julie, and probably numerous others outside of this thread?
Yeah, noticed how you quoted Scripture there, and it used the word death - NOT "eternal torment", "eternal conscious suffering", "spiritual death", etc.
There are a few big problem with your theory here. 1. You reject Gods order, by rejecting the Shepherd who God appointed and ordained to lead dumb sheep like myself. god ordains them and you reject Gods order at your own peril.Yeah, that'll teach him. I'm indoctrinated so let's just indoctrinate someone else. Just because someone is an "ordained" minister doesn't mean they have the truth. You're still young and maybe haven't realized that yet. Heck, even Jim Bakker admits he didn't even read the bible in it's entirety for the first time until he was in prison. Some of these bible colleges are just the blind leading the blind. Not all but again, we have to be careful. Even in the Bible, the people read the scriptures to see if what they were being taught was true. It's our own responsibility to do so.
Hopefully, you'll realize that one day.
No, that's not true because Gods Word proves that the gospel is awful because it has the stench of death. It's like approaching an unbeliever and telling them that a stinking corpse smells good.You said this "Now for a dose of the bitter medicine, also known as the awful truth." in post #648.
There is no "bitter medicine" or "awful truth" in the gospel...it is Good News..."The gospel is the “good news” because it contains the exceedingly wonderful message of God’s redemption of sinful humanity through the death and resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ. The gospel is the heart, the central core of Christian preaching. The English noun gospel comes from the Anglo-Saxon term godspell, meaning “glad tidings.” It is translated from the Greek evangelion, which means “good message.” Originally, the word was related to news of military triumph. But when the New Testament was recorded, its writers assigned the term gospel to the “good news” of salvation in Jesus Christ."
The blue is a link!
My understanding of Gods Word, comes from God, just as everything else does.Please share with all of us where your understanding of "Biblically correct" comes from.
Good, because the Lord Jesus is the only person who should ever do that, He is God.
"The “fear” that perfect loves casts out is the fear of God’s judgment. We know that Judgment Day is coming, but those who are in Christ know the love of God, which drives away fear of condemnation. The dismissal of the fear of judgment is one of the main functions of God’s love. The person without Christ is under judgment and has plenty to fear (John 3:18), but, once a person is in Christ, the fear of judgment is gone. He is reconciled to God, and “there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”" (Romans 8:1).
"In summary, the word perfect in 1 John 4:18 means “complete” or “mature,” and the love that is referred to is God’s selfless agape love. The fear that this perfect love drives out is the fear of punishment. We have God’s promise that believers in Jesus Christ will not be judged with the world: “God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thessalonians 5:9; cf. 1 Corinthians 11:32). We can say with the psalmist, “In God I trust and am not afraid” (Psalm 56:11)."
What is the meaning of “perfect love casts out fear” (1 John 4:18)? | GotQuestions.org
Do you believe that you will know the truth when you hear it?
How do you know this?
Yes it does. 10 Key Bible Verses on Wisdom and Discernment
There is only One true Church and only one true gospel. The one true Church is not governed by any "denomination" or external authority. Our only authority is the Lord and His Word.That is independent of the rules and doctrines of their denomination? Focusing only on the Gospel of the Kingdom? Won't find one.
This is exactly what you are suspicious of in post #684. They, just like you announce here, believe that they are lead by God and therefore immune to deceit.I already know the truth, so I'm not waiting to hear about it.
Only Gods elect, (born again believers) know the difference between the true gospel and a false version of the gospel. This doesn't mean that I'm smarter than those who are being deceived by the wolves in sheep's clothing. It just means that I am le by the Holy Spirit, and He will not allow me to fall victim to the doctrine of demons.
Gods Word confirms that it's impossible to, deceive one of His elect.
The only way I could be one of the "Evil Robots", would be if God was a liar. But we know that it's not possible for God to tell a lie. He simply can't do it, so it absolutely impossible.Or the likes of you. You've no guarantee that you aren't one of the Evil Robots, now do you?
Really? How interesting! How long have you been into amateur psychology?
Nah, I just sit back and marvel at the sort of rubbish that some folks believe that God does or doesn't do based on God-only-knows what. And part of the marvel is how that can blow and posture and pontificate s though they'd been given their, she we say, dubious, notions of what God will or won't do via Divine revelation of some sort.
How novel! I'd have sworn that He hangs on your every word. <Laugh>
The actually question isn't whether God should accept my counsel, but whether anyone at all should accept yours. I read the Gospels, and I read your beliefs, and I'm dogged if I see very much overlap there. Why did our Lord have to die if He had already who would roast and who wouldn't before He created Adam.
Could He have done that? Of course! Did He actually do that? If so, why? Why God through all the trouble of ctrting the illusion that there was hope for at least some of humanity, when in fact there was none? And why did our Lord say so much stuff that, if your pernicious beliefs are true, were simply false?
Nah, the trick is that if your rubbish was actually true, then the gospel is simply a practical joke played to see how many will fall for it.
Not with you, matey; on that we may rely.
I don't know who the true Christians are, only the born again believer and God know. So I would never conclude that someone is not a Christian. But I can point out erroneous and unbiblical interpretations of scripture.This is exactly what you are suspicious of in post #684. They, just like you announce here, believe that they are lead by God and therefore immune to deceit.
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Well, this would certainly explain why you can't answer simple questions about your beliefs on certain verses and how ours are taken out of context. Someone that has the truth as you claim would have easily been able to do so. But you can't.There are a few big problem with your theory here. 1. You reject Gods order, by rejecting the Shepherd who God appointed and ordained to lead dumb sheep like myself. god ordains them and you reject Gods order at your own peril.
Are you joking? We have posted scripture over and over and you continually ignore sound scripture. You've never once addressed any scripture I've posted. I'm a scripture person first and foremost. You are not. You mainly pass judgement and resort to insults.Why haven't you or your friend ever revealed what you believe Gods Word is referring to when it speaks about death. according to your private, unbiblical opinion, death means "annihilation" or "cessation of existence", but none of these silly opinions are supported by any scripture.
You do realize we are supposed to test them? See if what they are stating can be supported? It's biblical to do so. The Bereans searched the scriptures daily. Were they being arrogant as well? Of course not. And we are told to test all things. We aren't told we need a degree first.Can you even seen how rebellious and arrogant and ignorant it is to reject highly qualified teachers, and usurp that authority for yourself, while you have no qualifications at all and you've obviously never had any formal training.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life".
John 5:24
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life".
John 10:28
"And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of My hand".
1 John 5:12
"He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life".
1 John 5:13
"These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God".
This subject is very complicated but here is what I think today:What are your beliefs on verse 5? We know Christ states blessed are those that take part in the first resurrection.
I talked too much. It’s now your turn to share your thoughts. I’m really interested to hear what you think.I've talked to people that believe these people are actually dead and I've seen teachings where these people are spiritually dead and are part of the millennium.
It really is. I admit this is one subject that I find myself still wanting to further study and pray about. But I think that those who believe and continue to abide in Christ until the end will take part in that first resurrection.This subject is very complicated
That's kind of where I'm at as well.The unsaved are resurrected during the Millennium, but only achieve full human perfection and everlasting life after passing a final test at the end of the Millennium,
One word I glossed over in Rev 20:4 is the word soul / psyche / nefesh. "I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus . . . ." Does this mean a resurrection of the natural (psychical) body has happened at this point for both the saints and the unsaved? This seems to be implied. But the text is far from clear.I admit this is one subject that I find myself still wanting to further study and pray about. But I think that those who believe and continue to abide in Christ until the end will take part in that first resurrection.
I believe so. I go back to this-Does this mean a resurrection of the natural (psychical) body has happened at this point for both the saints and the unsaved? T
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