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Hell doesn't exist and there is no eternal suffering, instead bad peolle just cease to exist

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Hentenza

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BelieveItOarKnot said:
Love your neighbor or promote burning them alive forever.

Such difficulty
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Emotional fallacy.
BelieveItOarKnot said:
No issues there. I accept that will happen for the devils, not those we are commanded to love
Again not hard to sort thru
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But not to the rest that will be thrown in the same place under the same conditions?
BelieveItOarKnot said:
Uh, no. Neither Jesus or the Apostles or the entirety of the scriptures presented any named person to such a fate. Even in the midst of being murdered, Jesus forgave. So did Stephen. Examples much?
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Sure. Jesus attached the original imagery of the fires of Molech worship in Gehenna to eternal Hell as a place of fire. He twice called it “the hell of fire” (Mat. 5:22; 18:9). He twice referred to it as “the furnace of fire” into which the evil will be cast after the Judgment (Mat. 13:42, 50). He twice called it a place of “unquenchable fire” (Mark 9:43, 47–48). We correctly identify the Hell the Jesus describes with “the lake of fire and brimstone” and “the lake of fire” into which the devil, the beast, the false prophet, and all those not found written in the book of life were cast for eternal torment (Rev. 20:10, 15; 21:8).
BelieveItOarKnot said:
Don't know how loving our neighbors dilutes the Gospel because that IS the Gospel and the command of God
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Some more emotional fallacies.
 
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Hentenza said:
The heresy of universal reconciliation
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A "heresy" against the beliefs of your sect, whatever that is. How dreadful! But as I noted before, I suspect that your lot has some very nice heretical beliefs of their own, as most roll-your-own denominations do.
Hentenza said:
and by default it’s cousin annihilationism were condemned as part of the heresies of Origen
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You blew that one rather badly. Origin believed that all souls would eventually be redeemed, which is far from annihilationosm. In fact it's more akin to your "everyone has eternal life by default", since you both believe that no one ever really dies. "Annihilationosm", aka "Conditionalism", teach that, as Scripture says, "the wages of sin is death", and that the condemned are, agian, as Scripture says, destroyed in hell.

So, congratulations on an "own goal", there.<Laugh>


Hentenza said:
As an Anglican you probably love the writings of John AT Robinson.
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Almost as much as those by Jack Spong. <Laugh>
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There are several theologians that reject the biblical teaching of hell
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How interesting
Hentenza said:
Everlasting contempt is NOT annihilation.
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Do you hold Jack Spong in contempt? I do. He's still dead, though. (I think.)

Conclusion: Your "nobody ever really dies" doctrine is still rubbish
 
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Your penchant for removing context from my post to satisfy your “sense of humor” and erroneous doctrine is quite disingenuous. Your conclusions are controversial and outside of orthodoxy. No need to reply to your post since it is devoid of an argument. Also, sect is synonymous with cult and a pejorative to mainstream Christianity which is against the forum rules.
 
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Hentenza said:
But that would be the only way to defend your error.
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Are you actually stating this verse is untrue and the wicked are not burned up resulting in neither branch or root left?

Malachi 4:1 "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave then neither root nor branch."
Hentenza said:
You would have to jump hurdles to get to the conclusion since eternal is indeed eternal
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I don't have to jump hurdles to realize the truth of this verse which lines up with the rest of the Bible-


John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."​

Only one person has life in that verse. Perish does not mean life in hell no matter how much you want to change God's Word to suit your doctrine.

ETA and regarding the Luke verses-no one has been thrown into the Lake of Fire yet. That comes at Judgement Day. Christ is describing the gulf, not the Lake of Fire.
 
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The verse your posted says nothing about annihilation. The NASB has a much better translation,

““For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the Lord of armies, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branches.”
‭‭Malachi‬ ‭4‬:‭1‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Malachi 4:1 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the LORD of armies, “so that it wi | New American Standard Bible - NASB

“For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the LORD of armies, “so that it wi
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Setting ablaze does not specify fully consumed.
Daniel disagrees with you.

“And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.”
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Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
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Cant be annihilated and suffer eternal contempt.
JulieB67 said:
ETA and regarding the Luke verses-no one has been thrown into the Lake of Fire yet. That comes at Judgement Day. Christ is describing the gulf, not the Lake of Fire.
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Here we agree except that Christ is indeed describing Hell. The gulf is merely what separates them.
 
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Hentenza said:
And yet you cant prove otherwise.
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Sorry matey, but "Prove it ain't!" It's not contigent on anyone to prove that the earth isn't flat, or that whales don't speak French at the bottom of the sea. You have the burden of proving your salient points. Otherwise I'm require you to address me as "Your Majesty" until you can prove that I'm not Rightwise KInd of All England.
Hentenza said:
Nah. You might want to self examine. I speak of the reality of hell which has been the core teaching of the church since the beginning.
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Not arguing the existence of hell, or at least I'm not. "Fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell". Try not to wander away.
Hentenza said:
You, on the other hand, promote a diluted version of eternal punishment.
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And you clamor in favor of an invented version of eternal punishment that can't be supported by Scripture.
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This would benefit the adversary not the Christian.
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Really? How?
 
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