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Caesar’s household no longer exists. It has not existed since 476ad when the western side of the Roman Empire fell.Caesar’s household
Ok so what’s thisCaesar’s household no longer exists. It has not existed since 476ad when the western side of the Roman Empire fell.
Have no clue. I’m sure you are going to tell me.
I haven't adopted any ancient philosophy, but I have been adopted by God, so I'm a member of His Body. As such I am also indwelt by the Holy Spirit, who keeps me from being deceived by the doctrine of Demons.No, that isn't what's going on here. You have adopted a popular ancient religious philosophy, promoted by this world's religious system for centuries, that men are born with an immortal soul/spirit. To justify this philosophy, men engage in the same tactics satan used on Eve to deceive. God shows men this from the very beginning so that those who are seeking His Wisdom, will understand the dangers of listening to "other voices" concerning His Creation. They carefully select certain sentences from God's Holy Inspired Scriptures, then they separate this verse from all the rest of the bible, then twist the meaning of the verse to defend, justify and promote the adopted philosophy. "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? They do this because if ALL of God's Words concerning any topic, like eternal life, death, resurrections, tree of life, etc., are considered, this philosophy can not stand.
What I posted were relevant verses which speak directly to the very core of our discussion, verses you omitted.
The verses you omit from your sermons concerning immortality, do not destroy any Words of God, and I do not use them for that purpose. When considered, the verses you omit concerning this topic more clearly define God's Teaching to us regarding the topic. When all of God's Word concerning immortality, tree of life, death, life and resurrection are considered, it is clear that men are not born with an immortal spirit/soul/body etc. It is a gift from God some men will receive. This was difficult for me to accept given the religion of my fathers teach that I was born with the gift of immortality, same as you believe, and I believed it for a long time. My pride and self exaltation stood in the way of accepting God's Truth, not wanting to be humbled and/or corrected. This too is addressed in the Holy Scriptures for those seeking the Truth and Wisdom of God. It is a common evil among men.
You said, "I asked you to explain why you don't believe what God said about death, in the verses I referenced
I will not engage in the popular religious tactic you employ, of selecting a few verses from the bible, separating them from the rest of God's Word, then creating or promoting doctrines, that can't stand if "Every Word of God" is considered.
You and I have both sinned, and we will both die. "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
The only reason why we are here talking to each other today, and not dead and buried, is because of God's Long Suffering and desire that we might repent and turn to Him through His Son while we are still alive. So that we might "Yield ourself" a servant to obey God for the rest of this life, as Jesus Himself teaches, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. That we might "put forth our hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"
From the very beginning, the prince of this world has convinced men that they "shall surely not die". My hope is that men stop listening to all the "other voices" in the world He placed us in, "that profess to know God", and place our trust instead, on the Holy scriptures that are trustworthy
"for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Not just "some" of the Words of God, while "omitting" others, as the mainstream religions of this world promote, but as the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches, "Every Word" which proceeds from the mouth of God.
That is still my hope.
You are here to promote a popular religious philosophy that you are already immortal and will "surely not die". That you will live forever in one capacity or another. The Holy Scriptures, when all of them are considered, do not support this popular philosophy as the my posts clearly show.
Thanks for the discussion, such as it were. These issues are good for men to engage in, not just for us, but for those reading along as well, in my view.
It's a classic movie tag. Probably before your timeWho is Virginia?
Caesar’s householdHave no clue. I’m sure you are going to tell me.
A pizza pie gone amok?
Was he related to Caesar?Caesars are pretty scarce these days. I think maybe Mussolini tried to recreate
"the glory that was Rome", but it really didn't work out.
Rulers are not a terror to good works.A pizza pie gone amok?
It's always about the "other people" ain't it? Especially those at the top.
Hey, the "head" is always corrupt. There's a little "spiritual" message there, huh?
And they are never punished or get what should be coming to them.
I’m guessing that you are referring to Philippians 4:22, but it is proof that even members of Caesar’s household had been saved by the grace of God through the teachings of Christ. If you really want a discussion about your theory, you need to write exactly what you mean and stop being evasive.
Nor are they ever perfect either. And in reality, it is God Himself who sets them ALL up. The basest of people. Another little spiritual message.Rulers are not a terror to good works.
It was a joke. You are only 6 years older than me. LolIt's a classic movie tag. Probably before your time
I haven't adopted any ancient philosophy, but I have been adopted by God, so I'm a member of His Body. As such I am also indwelt by the Holy Spirit, who keeps me from being deceived by the doctrine of Demons.
It's impossible to deceive those of us who are led by the Holy Spirit, because He leads us in to all truth and teaches us everything that the Lord Jesus taught.
It's interesting how you accuse me of promoting a man made religious system, and you say it's not consistent with what the Bible teaches. Then you refuse to discuss the verses I referenced, claiming that I have have taken them out of context, but you didn't specify or identify any of my supposed errors.
I have asked you over and over again to either accept or deny the fact that the Bible describes "death" in various ways and contexts. The verses described different types of "death", and none of them support your religious denominational views.
I get the sense that you refuse to deal with the scriptures I quoted, because you denomination avoids those verses because they expose your doctrinal views as unbiblical and they are instead based on the opinions of fallen men.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned
You think that death is something that happens at the end of a sinners life, but the Bible refutes your opinion, in ---
Ephesians 2:1-3 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
Here Paul is speaking to believers, "born again Christians" (who are not dead anymore), they have been born again. So they were dead and then God made them alive, but according to your opinion Paul must have been drunk or delusional speaking such nonsense.
The Lord Jesus Himself confirms mans "dead in sin state" by saying that evil come out of a man, so it's not his environment, neither is it that he fell into a bad crowd and they corrupted him. No he is already dead in his sin and there is no good in him at all.
Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. 23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.”
Why does evil come from within a man?, is it as you claim he choses to exercise his free will to do evil, or is it because he was born spiritually dead, with a sin nature inherited from Adam.
There are 7 different types of death mentioned in the Bible, I'll just mention the main 4 below. I hope you don't just reject them out of hand, if they oppose your religious bias.
Physical Death: The separation of the body from the soul or spirit. This is the death that happens to everyone due to the fallen nature of humanity.
Spiritual Death: A state of separation from God caused by sin, affecting the unsaved from birth. It is often described as being "dead in sin".
Positional Death: A term used to describe the believer's state in Christ, where they are considered "dead to sin" and "alive to God" through their faith.
Eternal Death: Also known as the "second death," this is the final and everlasting separation from God in hell, which is the ultimate punishment for sin.
There hasn’t been a Caesar for about 1600 years other than the guy that cooks my pizza at my favorite pizza place. He is the owner. Oops maybe his household is the one……Caesar’s household
I said it for the "sake of the children"It was a joke. You are only 6 years older than me. Lol
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