Hebrews

[ContraMundum]

I figured that it was similar in meaing apart from the major difference being one is physical (circumcision) and the other mental (baptism).

There is a physical and spiritual element to both circumcision and baptism, I would say.

 

[David Ben Yosef]

Wow! This is a long thread. I read the first 5 pages and didn't see it mentioned that many times in Hebrews, the word "covenant" is italisized in the KJV (Meaning that the word covenant doesn't actually appear in the Greek text) has someone already pointed that out? Chapters 7-10 of Hebrews is exclusively talking about the priesthood, not the entire Sinai Covenant.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Wow! This is a long thread. I read the first 5 pages and didn't see it mentioned that many times in Hebrews, the word "covenant" is italisized in the KJV (Meaning that the word covenant doesn't actually appear in the Greek text) has someone already pointed that out? Chapters 7-10 of Hebrews is exclusively talking about the priesthood, not the entire Sinai Covenant.

There is no Italics for this one.

Hebrews 8:8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

 

[Tishri1]

Wow! This is a long thread. I read the first 5 pages and didn't see it mentioned that many times in Hebrews, the word "covenant" is italisized in the KJV (Meaning that the word covenant doesn't actually appear in the Greek text) has someone already pointed that out? Chapters 7-10 of Hebrews is exclusively talking about the priesthood, not the entire Sinai Covenant.

AMEN

Thats what I have been hinting at for years...explain it to them David I am sooooooo much in agreement to what you said and IMO it explains away sooooo many misunderstandings in here about covenants

 

[Tishri1]

There is no Italics for this one.

Hebrews 8:8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

The them is the priesthood if read in context

 

[David Ben Yosef]

The them is the priesthood if read in context

Exactly.

And the "new" of the Covenant is just like the new moon, new wine, or new heavens and new earth. The moon is still the moon, the wine is still wine, and the earth and heaven is still earth and heaven. It just has a change in it's quality. The eternal covenant is still eternal, it just underwent a change in the quality of the priesthood.

 

[visionary]

....And the transfer of temple services from earth to the heavenly where our High Priest is making the offering for our sins....

 

[visionary]

It would take a miracle for Judaism to overcome the blindness in part because of gentile interference for the last 2000 years... whether by persecution, by misinterpretation, by removing all things jewish out of the faith... among other things... God is going to come forward and reveal His Name and Himself before His Chosen People.. and All Israel will be saved.

 

[ContraMundum]

Why do some blame "the Gentiles" for "interfering" with the Faith when obviously God has always been in charge fo the Faith, the church, and ultimately its doctrine? Everything has happened for a reason, and under His sovereignty.

What I think is an interesting phenomenon is that everybody always blames somebody else for ruining their "perfect church". East blamed West and vice-versa, Rome blamed the Protestants and vice-versa, the Anabaptists blamed the other Protestans and vice-versa, the Pentecostals blamed mainstream churches, and now, finally, to make the whole thing utterly absurd and even less charitable, we have some people blaming everybody else over the many centuries under the guise of their ethnic background- "The Gentiles".

Does it get more comical than this? Tell me now, because if it does I'll send this script to a movie studio and make some money for the poor in my neighborhood- mostly Gentiles I might add. It's already looking a bit too much like Lord Farquaad and his perfect little town of Duloc (lyrics here).

The irony is that it has not dawned on these detractors that they too are usually Gentiles. Perhaps that means they are also misguided?

Bah Humbug.

 

[ContraMundum]

It would take a miracle for Judaism to overcome the blindness

Don't all coversions take miracles to come about? On this I agree with you.

 

[johnd]

AMEN

Thats what I have been hinting at for years...explain it to them David I am sooooooo much in agreement to what you said and IMO it explains away sooooo many misunderstandings in here about covenants

Um... but clearly the Tanakh text (on which the book of Hebrews is a commentary) IS referring to the covenants:

Jeremiah 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The first and last (second) is not referring to the priesthood only nor did just the priests break the old covenant.

Galatians 3:24-25
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

There is another law, hinted throughout scripture often mistaken for the Mosaic Law but referred to as "my law" (God speaking) or the "law of your mother" which is the New Jerusalem in heaven... Galatians 4:21-31

1 Corinthians 9:19-21
19 Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.
20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.

Verse 20 refers to the Law of Moses.
Verse 21 refers to the Law of God / Law of Christ

 

[Tishri1]

Hebrews 3

Jesus Our High Priest

1Therefore, (A)holy brethren, partakers of a (B)heavenly calling, consider Jesus, (C)the Apostle and (D)High Priest of our (E)confession;



Hebrews 4

The Believer's Rest

14Therefore, since we have a great (Z)high priest who has (AA)passed through the heavens, Jesus (AB)the Son of God, let us hold fast our (AC)confession.

15For we do not have (AD)a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been (AE)tempted in all things as we are, yet (AF)without sin. 16Therefore let us (AG)draw near with (AH)confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.


Hebrews 5

The Perfect High Priest

1For every high priest (A)taken from among men is appointed on behalf of men in (B)things pertaining to God, in order to (C)offer both gifts and sacrifices (D)for sins;

2(E)he can deal gently with the (F)ignorant and (G)misguided, since he himself also is (H)beset with weakness;
3and because of it he is obligated to offer sacrifices (I)for sins, (J)as for the people, so also for himself.
4And (K)no one takes the honor to himself, but receives it when he is called by God, even (L)as Aaron was.
5So also Christ (M)did not glorify Himself so as to become a (N)high priest, but He who (O)said to Him,
"(P)YOU ARE MY SON,
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU";
6just as He says also in another passage,
"(Q)YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER
ACCORDING TO (R)THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."
7In the days of His flesh, (S)He offered up both prayers and supplications with (T)loud crying and tears to the One (U)able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His (V)piety.
8Although He was (W)a Son, He learned (X)obedience from the things which He suffered.
9And having been made (Y)perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, 10being designated by God as (Z)a high priest according to (AA)the order of Melchizedek.




Hebrews 6

Better Things for You

19This (AM)hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which (AN)enters within the veil,
20(AO)where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a (AP)high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.


Hebrews 7

Melchizedek's Priesthood Like Christ's

1For this (A)Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the (B)Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,

2to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace.
3Without father, without mother, (C)without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like (D)the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually.
4Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the (E)patriarch, (F)gave a tenth of the choicest spoils.
5And those indeed of (G)the sons of Levi who receive the priest's office have commandment in the Law to collect a tenth from the people, that is, from their brethren, although these are descended from Abraham.
6But the one (H)whose genealogy is not traced from them (I)collected a tenth from Abraham and (J)blessed the one who (K)had the promises.
7But without any dispute the lesser is blessed by the greater.
8In this case mortal men receive tithes, but in that case one receives them, (L)of whom it is witnessed that he lives on.
9And, so to speak, through Abraham even Levi, who received tithes, paid tithes,
10for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.
11(M)Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it (N)the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise (O)according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron?
12For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
13For (P)the one concerning whom (Q)these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar.
14For it is evident that our Lord was (R)descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests.
15And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek,
16who has become such not on the basis of a law of (S)physical requirement, but according to the power of (T)an indestructible life.
17For it is attested of Him,
"(U)YOU ARE A PRIEST FOREVER
ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK."
18For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment (V)because of its weakness and uselessness
19(for (W)the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better (X)hope, through which we (Y)draw near to God.
20And inasmuch as it was not without an oath
21(for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him,
"(Z)THE LORD HAS SWORN
AND (AA)WILL NOT CHANGE HIS MIND,
'YOU ARE A PRIEST (AB)FOREVER'");
22so much the more also Jesus has become the (AC)guarantee of (AD)a better covenant.
23The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing,
24but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues (AE)forever, holds His priesthood permanently.
25Therefore He is able also to (AF)save forever those who (AG)draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to (AH)make intercession for them.
26For it was fitting for us to have such a (AI)high priest, (AJ)holy, (AK)innocent, undefiled, separated from sinners and (AL)exalted above the heavens;
27who does not need daily, like those high priests, to (AM)offer up sacrifices, (AN)first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did (AO)once for all when He (AP)offered up Himself. 28For the Law appoints men as high priests (AQ)who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints (AR)a Son, (AS)made perfect forever.



Hebrews 8

A Better Ministry

1Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a (A)high priest, who has taken His seat at (B)the right hand of the throne of the (C)Majesty in the heavens,

2a (D)minister in the sanctuary and in the (E)true tabernacle, which the Lord (F)pitched, not man.
3For every (G)high priest is appointed (H)to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer.
4Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who (I)offer the gifts according to the Law;
5who serve (J)a copy and (K)shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was (L)warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, "(M)SEE," He says, "THAT YOU MAKE all things ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN WHICH WAS SHOWN YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN." 6But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the (N)mediator of (O)a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

 

[Tishri1]

Hbr 8:1¶Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [Main Topic]

Hbr 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Hbr 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore [it is] of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

Hbr 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

Hbr 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Hbr 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Hbr 8:7¶For if that first [covenant][Priesthood] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hbr 8:8 For finding fault with them [Priesthood], he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Hbr 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Hbr 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Hbr 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Hbr 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hbr 8:13 In that he saith, A new[covenant],[Priesthood] he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

 

[Tishri1]

Hbr 9:1¶Then verily the first [covenant][Priesthood] had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

Hbr 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein [was] the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

Hbr 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Hbr 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein [was] the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

Hbr 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

Hbr 9:6¶Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service [of God].

Hbr 9:7 But into the second [went] the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and [for] the errors of the people:

Hbr 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Hbr 9:9 Which [was] a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hbr 9:10 [Which stood] only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed [on them][Priesthood] until the time of reformation.

Hbr 9:11¶But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Hbr 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

Hbr 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hbr 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Hbr 9:16¶For where a testament [is], there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Hbr 9:17 For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hbr 9:18 Whereupon neither the first [testament][Priesthood] was dedicated without blood.

Hbr 9:19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Hbr 9:20 Saying, This [is] the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Hbr 9:21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Hbr 9:23¶[It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Hbr 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Hbr 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

[Tishri1]

Hbr 10:1¶For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Hbr 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Hbr 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.

Hbr 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Hbr 10:5¶Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the law;

Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first[Priesthood], that he may establish the second[priesthood,himself the main subject for several chapters].

Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

Hbr 10:11¶And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Hbr 10:15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

Hbr 10:16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Hbr 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Hbr 10:18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.

Hbr 10:19¶Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Hbr 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Hbr 10:21 And [having] an high priest over the house of God;

Hbr 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Hbr 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised

Hbr 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

Hbr 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Hbr 10:26¶For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hbr 10:32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

Hbr 10:33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

Hbr 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

Hbr 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

Hbr 10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hbr 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

Hbr 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Hbr 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[Tishri1]

ok that took a few posts but I hope you get the idea


The subject is "the priesthood changing" all the way thru several chapers ....the majority of Hebrews thru 10 chapters in fact.
Not saying the Law/Covenant isnt changing too as it IS, but IMO most if not all those added "Covenants" could /should/ and would have been references to the main topic or the Priesthood changing, as THAT[Priesthood changing] is the main topic of discussion all the way thru chapter 10

 

[David Ben Yosef]

We are in total agreeance, Tishri.

John, you have only strengthened my point by posting Jeremiah 31:33 which states that HaShem Himself will write Torah on the hearts of His people. Ezekiel agrees in 11:19-20 that the whole purpose of the qaulatative change is to cause His people to walk in His Torah. Same covenant, but ministered to His people in a better way (The "renewing" of the Ruach HaKodesh- Titus 3:5). The Sinai covenant is everlasting, and perpetual. Just as Scripture says it is. Neither you, nor I, or anyone else can change that.

 

[johnd]

ok that took a few posts but I hope you get the idea


The subject is "the priesthood changing" all the way thru several chapers ....the majority of Hebrews thru 10 chapters in fact.
Not saying the Law/Covenant isnt changing too as it IS, but IMO most if not all those added "Covenants" could /should/ and would have been references to the main topic or the Priesthood changing, as THAT[Priesthood changing] is the main topic of discussion all the way thru chapter 10

But was not the first covenant originally intended to make klal Yisroel a kingdom of priests? And due to the incident in the wilderness, among other things (the people's remorse and telling Moses not to allow the Lord to speak directly to them for fear of dying) start the tribal priesthood?

Now we are a kingdom of priests. Who go boldly into the throne room, etc.

Indeed the priesthood was changed.... as part of the new covenant.

You know me, Tish. I am not saying throw out everything of the old. In fact, without at least studying the old the new becomes black and white (colorless) anemic. It must be seasoned with what God implemented in the old to bring out the full bodied Jewish flavor of what the faith is truly about.

The last supper was a Passover Seder. Do we honor Yeshua and his indescribable sacrifice by passing a plate with crackers and little grape juice cups and say "unbelievers don't partake, and confess all your sins before you take this or it will be in an unworthy way?"

Or do we do it in a worthy way by keeping haggadah?

The former is based on Paul's reader's digest description of when it took place. The latter is how it ought to take place (IMHORS in my humble opinion reading scriptures).

As a subplot there can be no doubt the priesthood has changed. But the covenant has as well. All law of Moses could do was lead us to the vail between the holy placeand the most holy place. HaTorah Moshiakh leads us through the rent vail to the throne room as individual believers and priests of God Almighty.

 

[johnd]

We are in total agreeance, Tishri.

John, you have only strengthened my point by posting Jeremiah 31:33 which states that HaShem Himself will write Torah on the hearts of His people. Ezekiel agrees in 11:19-20 that the whole purpose of the qaulatative change is to cause His people to walk in His Torah. Same covenant, but ministered to His people in a better way (The "renewing" of the Ruach HaKodesh- Titus 3:5). The Sinai covenant is everlasting, and perpetual. Just as Scripture says it is. Neither you, nor I, or anyone else can change that.

He said "MY law" not the law. You made my point as well.

You proceed from the presumption that there is only one Torah. May I ask you to show in scripture where this is stated?

 

[johnd]

Even the sages gave place for another Torah to exist (which they concocted was the oral torah) but such an ambivalent body of law is as subjective as the RCC catechisms papal boles and decrees. Torah Moshe does make place for another Torah... but it also lays the ground rules and is given by Moshiakh through Moshe to break ground for the Torah Moshiakh.

Oral Torah alleges to have been the origin of Torah. Torah Moshiakh is the origin and the outcome of Torah Moshe.

Galatians 3:24-25
24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Revelation 13:8
8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

The ground breaking / ground rules predated creation.