Hebrews Sabbath rest, how do you read it?

[ace of hearts]

It was given to the "children of Israel" (Exodus 31:13) as a "perpetual (eternal) covenant" (Exodus 31:16) since it is the "sign" that the LORD is the Creator ("made") of "heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed" (Exodus 31:17).

Thank you. Indeed the sabbath wasn't given to all mankind as even you agree with the Scripture. Christians aren't Israel as the Gospel of John indicates in chapter 10.

Hint:

Jesus is the real Israel (Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; his children are his disciples; Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; John 13:33), the real "Prince" (Genesis 32:28; Acts 5:31) with God, the "overc[omer]" (John 16:33; Revelation 3:21), who himself is the "elect" (Isaiah 42:1; Matthew 12:18; 1 Peter 2:6) of the Father, in whom all the promises of God find their realization (2 Corinthians 1:20) with whom the eternal covenant was made and His "disciples" are His "children", in whom the "law" of God (Exodus 20:1-17; Isaiah 8:20) is sealed, given Him by His Father (Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; John 13:33).

I understand Hosea 11:1 can be taken as a prophecy. That I accept as truth. However v 2 indicates the subject of v 1 is Israel. Jesus never sacrificed unto Baalim. The verse says "they sacrificed unto Baalim." I'm not going to take the time to comment on all your references. You've already proven to me you have an agenda which isn't the truth.

 

[ace of hearts]

Hello brother Mark.

Seems everything you are trying to accuse others of is what you are doing. Let's see why. Firstly there was no controversy in relation to the Sabbath accept for how to truly keep the Sabbath Holy accoding to God's 4th Commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11 which is what JESUS taught in regards to Sabbath keeping in the NEW Testament.

So tell us why you don't preform as the commandment requires. Since you don't doesn't that mean you're committing continuous unrepentant sin and have no salvation?

 

[mark kennedy]

So tell us why you don't preform as the commandment requires. Since you don't doesn't that mean you're committing continuous unrepentant sin and have no salvation?

Worthy of death, the Law would suggest.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, you are making giant leaps in logic here. Yes, the Gentiles were grafted in with the covenants and promises of Israel, that much is true. But your giant leap of logic is that we have to observe some Sinai covenant Sabbath, there is noting in the New Testament suggesting any such thing. I won't bother with the expositions since you have proven immune to the context of your citations.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. As has been shown already through the scriptures you mix up the the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD Covenant with God's eternal laws that give us a KNOWLEDGE if GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUENESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?

We haven't gotten far enough into the exposition in order for an interpretation to be possible, much less necessary. Thanks for letting me believe as I like, I believe the Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath and the fourth commandment is subject to him, not vice versa. As a matter of fact we are in God's kingdom, in that the kingdom of God is at hand and the Most High is Sovereign and rules in the affairs of men. But, sure, hope to see you there at the end of the age when Christ returns and rules in power and glory.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of sin *ROMANS 3:20. IF we contiue to knowingly break it just like any of the other Commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the kingdom of God because they reject the gift of God's dear son *HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23.

No, just not buying it.

Indeed brother, you are free to believe as you wish. It is God's WORD not mine. We all answer only to God come judgment day where God's Word will then be our judge *JOHN 12:47-48.

Hard to believe you honestly think that was an actual statement.

And yet it is. Hard to believe you do not understand it.

Oh brother...Now if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. (Hebrews 4:8-10)

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The sabbath rest didn't happen during the days of Joshua, they looked for another day. When you enter that rest you rest from your own works, there is nothing close to what you are saying about keeping the Sinai covenant. That is the grossest error yet.

Sorry brother, your mixing up the scriptures here. v6 that you have left out says "Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief" It was only those who where in "UNBELIEF" that did not enter in. Those who "BELIEVED" entered in. The only difference between people in the OLD and people in the NEW is that they looked forward to the coming of Christ and we look back. We are all saved by Faith. (Read HEBREWS 11).

Well if you cut and paste without reading the passage I can understand how you would miss it completely. For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. (Hebrews 4:2) That's where.

The cutting and pasting was only God's WORD that you ignored brother. It disagrees with you and does not say what your trying to make it say. Let me post it again I think you still missed what God's rest is.

WHAT REST ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

HEBREWS 4:1-9
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And GOD DID REST the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD and enter into that rest.

[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9], So then, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Sorry brother it is not me that is confused. These are God's WORD not mine and they disagree with you. Hope this helps.

That's not what is says, or even suggests: There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God (Hebrews 4:9) You had to change the verse to make it fit what you are saying, that speaks volumes for the level of error here.

Actually no, that is not true! What was posted to you was the original Aramaic Greek rendering of the scripture. Why is the Aramaic translation of Hebrew 4:9 the most accurate?

HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

If you look at the Greek word for "rest used in Hebrews 4: 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

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Whatever version you want to use the scripture says that the Sabbath remains. As shown earlier in HEBREWS 4:1-5 God's REST is that of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH and it remains v9. That is it is still in place for the people of God. Just like we are not to lie and steal and murder.

Parallel translations of HEBREWS 4:9

New International Version
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

English Standard Version
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

Berean Study Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Berean Literal Bible
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

New American Standard Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.

International Standard Version
There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God to keep,

NET Bible
Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God.

New Heart English Bible
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

New American Standard 1977
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

American Standard Version
There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

Darby Bible Translation
There remains then a sabbatism to the people of God.

English Revised Version
There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

Weymouth New Testament
It follows that there still remains a sabbath rest for the people of God.

World English Bible
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Young's Literal Translation
there doth remain, then, a Sabbatic rest to the people of God,

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continuing...

[10], For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

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CONCLUSION: Yep lots of scripture here showing that if you do not enter into God's Gospel rest you cannot enter his SABBATH REST. v 1-4 is the context of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH confirmed in v9-11 Hebrews 3-4 is talking about the Gospel and the keeping of God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD. "There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God. Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief" v9-11. HEBREWS 4 supports the keeping of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH by believing and following the Word of God.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

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[LoveGodsWord]

So tell us why you don't preform as the commandment requires. Since you don't doesn't that mean you're committing continuous unrepentant sin and have no salvation?

You may need to exaplin yourself better brother. What are you talking about?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Worthy of death, the Law would suggest.

Indeed then you agree that there is no excuse for anyone who continues in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin (breaking any of God's commandments) because they reject the gift of God's dear son *HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23.

 

[mark kennedy]

Indeed then you agree that there is no excuse for anyone who continues in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin (breaking any of God's commandments) because they reject the gift of God's dear son *HEBREWS 10:26-27; ROMANS 6:23.

No, that's not the gospel

When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! (Colossians 2:13-14)​

 

[mark kennedy]

You may need to exaplin yourself better brother. What are you talking about?

I don't know how you missed it, unless you keep the Law perfectly, holy, righteous and good in thought word and deed you can't keep that standard. This is gospel 101.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No, that's not the gospel

When you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our trespasses, having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross! (Colossians 2:13-14)​

So you believe that those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will be saved? Sorry brother God's Word does not teach lawlessness. In fact it says those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not KNOW GOD and will be lost *1 JOHN 2:3-4; HEBREWS 10:26-27 because by doing so they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't know how you missed it, unless you keep the Law perfectly, holy, righteous and good in thought word and deed you can't keep that standard. This is gospel 101.

That is not correct brother. You may need to go back to your 101 bible school.

Lets see why through the scriptures?

When we first come to Jesus. It is based on faith alone and also on all the knowledge that God has revealed to us at any given point of our conversion. After we come to Jesus by faith and recieve his peace and joy we are babes in Christ because we do not know much and at this time we are all held accountable to God for what we know and not what we do not know in the truth of his Word.

At this time we are to GROW in Christ to have a closer walk with him day by day. This is the provess of Sanctification and as some say is the work of a lifetime growing every day in and learning how to walk in faith in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD.

The Holy Spirit as we continue in God's WORD will help us to have a closer walk with Jesus as we learn of him through his WORD God expects us to change our lives and to live up to all the light he reveals to us through his Word. Let's look at some scripture..

2 PETER 3:17-18 [17]
[17], You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things before, beware lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
[18], But grow in grace, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 PETER 1:1-8
[1], Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ:
[2], Grace and peace be multiplied to you through the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST,
[3], According as his divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the KNOWLEDGE of him that has called us to glory and virtue:
[4], Whereby are given to us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[5], And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue KNOWLEDGE;
[6], And to KNOWLEDGE temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[7], And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[8], For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that you shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord Jesus Christ.

NOTE: now in times of IGNORANCE when we do not know any better as we are babes and children growing in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD, God does not hold us accountable to things we do not know and to things he has not revealed to us or has not taught us.

ACTS 17:30
[30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at [does not hold us accountable]; BUT NOW [WHEN A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH HAS COME] commands all men every where to repent.

NOTE: When God reveals to us a KNOWLEDGE of the truth, then he expects us to change [REPENT] and to BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. At this time God has revealed to us a new KNOWLEDGE to help us to have a closer walk with him.

At EVERY POINT in the Christian life, as we grow in grace and in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD, we have a decision to make. Do I NOW BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD? Or do I not BELIEVE God's WORD and not change our lives?

If we choose NOT to BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD or simply BELIEVE but DO NOT FOLLOW God's WORD because we LOVE SIN more then having a closer walk with Jesus until we REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD we become "UNBELIEVERS" No unbeliever has part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have fallen from Grace.

JAMES 4:17 [17] Therefore to him that KNOWS to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

NOTE: If we reject God's WORD when Jesus is calling us to GROW in GRACE and in the KNOWLEDGE of his WORD it is the same as rejecting Jesus.

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,[27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

NOTE: It is only as we CONTINUE in God's WORD gainig a KNOWLEDGE to Follow Jesus that we continue to be his disciples.

JOHN 8:31 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD, then are you my disciples indeed [this means CONTINUE TO GROW in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD, BY BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD]; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

NOTE: If we fail to CONTINUE in his WORD BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD then at that point we no longer are his Children. Many Christians will be lost come judgment day because when God revlealed more of his WORD to them to help them to have a closer walk with Jesus they choose their SINS over the WORD of God.

JOHN 3:19 [19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men
loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
God's 4th commandments is not a Shadow law. It is one of the 10 Commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin. If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Please prayerfully pray about this my brother. I believe God has written this post for your consideration. The scriptures are talking about what you know to be sin, not what you do not know to be sin.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[mark kennedy]

So you believe that those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will be saved? Sorry brother God's Word does not teach lawlessness. In fact it says those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not KNOW GOD and will be lost *1 JOHN 2:3-4; HEBREWS 10:26-27 because by doing so they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Repentance is a part of salvation, you don't get to heaven on the installment plan.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Repentance is a part of salvation, you don't get to heaven on the installment plan.

Brother please see the post above yours and the scriptures in them. You cannot repent of something you do not know is a sin until you know it is sin *JAMES 4:17. If someone is a new Christian and following God by living up to all the knowledge that God has revealed to them, then they are God's people ACTS 17:30. If we reject God's WORD to continue in known unrepentant sin than we will not enter God's Kingdom *HEBREWS 10:26-27. Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. Please feel free to address all the scriptures provided to you in post # 171 linked above yours that disagree with you.

 

[mark kennedy]

That is not correct brother. You may need to go back to your 101 bible school.

Lets see why through the scriptures?

When we first come to Jesus. It is based on faith alone and also on all the knowledge that God has revealed to us at any given point of our conversion. After we come to Jesus by faith and recieve his peace and joy we are babes in Christ because we do not know much and at this time we are all held accountable to God for what we know and not what we do not know in the truth of his Word.

At this time we are to GROW in Christ to have a closer walk with him day by day. This is the provess of Sanctification and as some say is the work of a lifetime growing every day in and learning how to walk in faith in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD.

The Holy Spirit as we continue in God's WORD will help us to have a closer walk with Jesus as we learn of him through his WORD God expects us to change our lives and to live up to all the light he reveals to us through his Word. Let's look at some scripture..

2 PETER 3:17-18 [17]
[17], You therefore, beloved, seeing you know these things before, beware lest you also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
[18], But grow in grace, and in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 PETER 1:1-8
[1], Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Savior Jesus Christ:
[2], Grace and peace be multiplied to you through the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD, AND OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST,
[3], According as his divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the KNOWLEDGE of him that has called us to glory and virtue:
[4], Whereby are given to us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[5], And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue KNOWLEDGE;
[6], And to KNOWLEDGE temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
[7], And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
[8], For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that you shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord Jesus Christ.

NOTE: now in times of IGNORANCE when we do not know any better as we are babes and children growing in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD, God does not hold us accountable to things we do not know and to things he has not revealed to us or has not taught us.

ACTS 17:30
[30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at [does not hold us accountable]; BUT NOW [WHEN A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH HAS COME] commands all men every where to repent.

NOTE: When God reveals to us a KNOWLEDGE of the truth, then he expects us to change [REPENT] and to BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. At this time God has revealed to us a new KNOWLEDGE to help us to have a closer walk with him.

At EVERY POINT in the Christian life, as we grow in grace and in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD, we have a decision to make. Do I NOW BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD? Or do I not BELIEVE God's WORD and not change our lives?

If we choose NOT to BELIEVE AND FOLLOW God's WORD or simply BELIEVE but DO NOT FOLLOW God's WORD because we LOVE SIN more then having a closer walk with Jesus until we REPENT and BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD we become "UNBELIEVERS" No unbeliever has part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have fallen from Grace.

JAMES 4:17 [17] Therefore to him that KNOWS to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

NOTE: If we reject God's WORD when Jesus is calling us to GROW in GRACE and in the KNOWLEDGE of his WORD it is the same as rejecting Jesus.

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,[27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

NOTE: It is only as we CONTINUE in God's WORD gainig a KNOWLEDGE to Follow Jesus that we continue to be his disciples.

JOHN 8:31 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD, then are you my disciples indeed [this means CONTINUE TO GROW in the KNOWLEDGE of God's WORD, BY BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD]; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

NOTE: If we fail to CONTINUE in his WORD BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's WORD then at that point we no longer are his Children. Many Christians will be lost come judgment day because when God revlealed more of his WORD to them to help them to have a closer walk with Jesus they choose their SINS over the WORD of God.

JOHN 3:19 [19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men
loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
God's 4th commandments is not a Shadow law. It is one of the 10 Commandments that give us a KNOWLEDGE of sin. If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Please prayerfully pray about this my brother. I believe God has written this post for your consideration. The scriptures are talking about what you know to be sin, not what you do not know to be sin.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

The only part of the Law of Sinai Jesus repeats as a requirement is the Shema, to love God with all your heart soul and strength and you neighbor as yourself. Jesus does a pretty comprehensive exposition of the Law indicating that it's from the inside out, that part of salvation is called discipleship. You quote and cite voluminous amounts of Scripture and somehow the simple truth of the gospel eludes you. When Jesus is in the Upper Room he tells the disciples that he gives them a new commandment, by this all men will know you are my disciples, if you have love one for another. John repeats this in his epistle and James is contending with Christians who don't know how to fulfill the royal law. Paul deals with the same thing in 1 Corinthians 11, saying some of you are sick and some of you sleep. In both James 2 and 1 Corinthians 11 carnal Christians are mistreating the poor at the love feasts.

What you don't know about the Scriptures is the simplicity of the gospel. The Law of Moses was opposed to us, only exposing our sin, it could never bring the righteousness it bore witness to.

For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (Romans 8:3-4)
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The Law of Sinai is still powerless to deliver you from the weakness of the flesh. Only through the sin offering of Christ were we set free of the law of sin and death and empowered to walk after the Spirit. If you are trying to be right with God by ordering your affairs according to your own stubborn will you are chasing the wind. We bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit because when you are born again, you will eventually bear the fruit of the Spirit which is a work of God, not the work of the Law from Sinai:

So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. (Romans 7:4)
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If it were possible to be righteous by works of the Law then Christ died for nothing:

“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!” (Galatians 2:19-21)​

The Sinai covenant is referred to by Paul figuratively as the slave woman, she can save neither herself nor her children:

For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise. (Galatians 4:22-23)
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In Paul Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress Evangelist meets the wayward Christian as he stops before Mount Sinai on the way to Mr. Legality's home.

He to whom thou wast sent for ease, being by name Legality, is the son of the bond-woman which now is, and is in bondage with her children, Gal. 4:21-27, and is, in a mystery, this Mount Sinai, which thou hast feared will fall on thy head. Now if she with her children are in bondage, how canst thou expect by them to be made free? This Legality, therefore, is not able to set thee free from thy burden. No man was as yet ever rid of his burden by him; no, nor ever is like to be: ye cannot be justified by the works of the law; for by the deeds of the law no man living can be rid of his burden (Paul Bunyan, Pilgrims Progress)
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I've heard these arguments so much it's hard to believe they are sincere. One thing is certain, you will find no peace at Mount Sinai. This is what you will find

There came also flashes of fire out of the hill, that made CHRISTIAN afraid that he should be burned:

"And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly." Exodus 19:16-18​

here, therefore, he sweat and did quake for fear.

"And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake" Hebrews 12:21 (Paul Bunyan, Pilgrims Progress)
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Works of the Law cannot save you, only enslave you to the beggarly elements of the Law. Contenting that you can is an affront to the gospel of grace through faith. Paul calls it foolishness:

O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? (Galatians 3:20-21)
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Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[klutedavid]

So you believe that those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will be saved? Sorry brother God's Word does not teach lawlessness. In fact it says those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not KNOW GOD and will be lost *1 JOHN 2:3-4; HEBREWS 10:26-27 because by doing so they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Just wondering whether you still sin?

Are your sins the same sins over and over again?

Confessing sin is one of the more difficult aspects of the Christian life.

How do you reconcile your continuous sin, with your doctrine of known unrepentant sin?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The only part of the Law of Sinai Jesus repeats as a requirement is the Shema, to love God with all your heart soul and strength and you neighbor as yourself. Jesus does a pretty comprehensive exposition of the Law indicating that it's from the inside out, that part of salvation is called discipleship.

You know brother what I find quite funny here is that you have made a post that does not respond to the post and the scriptures in them that you are supposedly replying to which was about known and unknown sin. Anyhow brother all good lets see what you have this time and compare your claims to God's WORD.

Your claim here this time is that "The only part of the Law of Sinai Jesus repeats as a requirement is the Shema, to love God with all your heart soul and strength and you neighbor as yourself."

Now lets examine if your first claim is true? While JESUS does focus on LOVE does he separate LOVE from the keeping of God's Commandments? This is somthing that we should also consider.

What you have said however is partly correct. Jesus did indeed focus on the inside out and love saying in MATTHEW 5:20 For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Take a look a little further in relation to the inside out in MATTHEW 5:21 it says [21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, You shall not kill; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: v22, But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Then we read in MATTHEW 5:27-28 just a little further, [27], You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall not commit adultery:[28], But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So brother what is are these LAWS that JESUS is referring to here in relation to the inside out? Are they the LAW of LOVE to God and man or the 10 Commandments? You will find your answer in EXODUS 20:13 and EXODUS 20:14 from the 10 Commandments

Jesus is quoting the 10 commandments and applying them to the inside out.

Now let's look at the CONTEXT of MATTHEW 5:21-28. These scriptures we have just looked at that show JESUS applying the 10 COMMANDMENTS to the inside out (the heart).

MATTHEW 5:17-19
[17], Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
[18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19], Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What law is it that JESUS is refering to if we are discussing MURDER and ADULTERY a little further on and applying these scriptures to the inside out (the heart)? Yep you guessed it the Torah which includes the 10 commandments.

So brother back to the claim you made earlier. Is JESUS ONLY talking about LOVE in the NEW TESTAMENT or is he also talking about the 10 commandments?

Let's look at little further and see what else JESUS says?

MATTHEW 19:16-19
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.

NOTE: What commandments is JESUS now talking about? The Shema (LOVE) or the 10 commandments? Let's read on...

[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
[19], Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[20], The young man said to him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21], Jesus said to him, If you will be perfect, go and sell that you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
[22], But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Note: JESUS is LINKS both the SHEMA LOVE with the 10 COMMANDMENTS. WHY? BECAUSE LOVE is the very expression of OBEDIENCE to God's 10 Commandments and is why JESUS says if you LOVE me keep my commandments. LOVE is expressed in OBEDIENCE to God's LAW. If you LOVE your neighbore you will not steal from them, you will not lie to them or kill them right? You cannot separate LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's LAW because OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is the very expression of what LOVE is.

Let's look at some more scriptures...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets. .

NOTE: brother can you see your error here? JESUS does not separate LOVE from God's LAW because LOVE is expressed through OBEDIENCE to God's LAW. This is the NEW COVENANT "
I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts *HEBREWS 8:10.

CAN YOU SEPARATE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS FROM LOVE?

Jesus says in MATTHEW 22...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

NOTE: Jesus when asked this question from the Lawyer is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. Finishes by saying that on the two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets.

What does v40 mean?

LUKE 10:25-28
[25], And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tested him, saying, Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[26], He said unto him, what is written in the law? how read you?
[27], And he [the Lawyer] answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.
[28], And he said unto him, you have answered right: this do, and you shall live.

NOTE: The lawyer knew what it means to love God and love his neighbore. How? Notice the question that the lawyer starts os by asking Jesus; "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?". Now notice that the very same question is asked again and look how Jesus answers...

MATTHEW 19:16-19
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, YOU SHALL DO NO MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT LIE, [19], HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and you shall love your neighbour as yourself.
Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

NOTE: Notice in that the question from the rich young ruler is the very same question as asked by the lawyer "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?" but both were answered by Jesus in a different way. When the Lawer asked the question he answered his own question by saying LOVE to GOD and LOVE to his neighbor (from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18). Jesus said he answered correctly. When the rich yound ruler asked the same question Jesus answered by saying keep the 10 Commandments and starts out quoting them as his duty of LOVE to his neighbor.

Is this a contradiction of scripture? In no way the answer has already been given in MATTHEW 22:36-40. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD and LOVE TO MAN) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOUR it is expressed through our actions.

If we LOVE our neighbor...

* We will honor our parents,
* We will not kill them
* We will not commit adultery with thier spouse
* We will not steal from them
* We will not lie to them
* We will not covet what they own.

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods
* We will not make idols and worship them
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain
* We will remember his Sabbath and keep it holy.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [OF LOVE] HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

PAUL understood what JESUS was talking about...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

Notice what PAUL says here? LOVE is fulfilling [doing] God's Commandments. God's Commandments or duty towards your neighbor is summed up as you shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself v9. [On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets Matthew 22:40].

PAUL agrees with Jesus that if you LOVE you will fulfill God's LAW. What about JAMES?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James is using the second great commandment of LOVE which hangs all the commandments of our duty of love to our neighbour and quotes the commandments showing our duty towards our neighbor. This is why Jesus says “On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets” Matthew 22:40. and again..

JOHN 14:15 [15], IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

You cannot separate LOVE from God’s LAW. Love is the FULFILLING of it and is demonstrated by OBEDIENCE to Gods’ LAW as our duty of LOVE to God and man. [“On these two commandments [of LOVE] hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets]

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CONCLUSION: It is very clear that JESUS, PAUL and JAMES are all in agreement that the two GREAT COMMANDMENTS of LOVE that JESUS quoted from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 were used and known in the OLD Testament scripture to sum up our duty of LOVE to God and man in the 10 Commandments.... God's LAW (Ten commandments) is not separated from LOVE it demonstrates it. You cannot have LOVE without fulfilling God's Ten Commandments. [On these two Commandments of LOVE hang all the LAW and the prophets].

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you JESUS links God's LAW to LOVE as LOVE is the very expression of it to God and man. Can you see your error here brother?

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You quote and cite voluminous amounts of Scripture and somehow the simple truth of the gospel eludes you.

Not really brother you cannot know the Gospel without God's WORD because the Gospel is God's WORD. JESUS is the LIVING WORD of GOD and he has given is the written Word (gospel) to BELIEVE and FOLLOW. Those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD do not know him who calls us in love to love another.

Works of the Law cannot save you, only enslave you to the beggarly elements of the Law. Contenting that you can is an affront to the gospel of grace through faith. Paul calls it foolishness: O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? (Galatians 3:20-21)Grace and peace,
Mark

Brother you seem to like making strawman arguments that no one has said to you or believes. If I do not believe we are saved by the works of the law then why pretend that I do? We are only saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8.

Brother if I believe that my salvation is by faith in what JESUS has done for me and I accept it by faith alone you miss the simple reason as to why it is I follow him. I follow JESUS because I LOVE him not because I am saved by what I do. I am already saved so I do what he wants me to do by faith and walking in the Spirit of his WORD.

Many however do not know why God has given us his grace do you know?

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

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CONCLUSION: God's GRACE is for OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH and FAITH DOES NOT ABOLISH God's LAW it ESTABLISHES God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and LOVE God's WORD (JESUS) and is why JESUS says IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS *JOHN 14:15.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with your claims again. You cannot separate God's LAW, GRACE and FAITH from LOVE. LOVE is the very fulfilling and establishing of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE and LOVE JESUS and have the PROMISE of the NEW HEART to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:7-12.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[mark kennedy]

You know brother what I find quite funny here is that you have made a post that does not respond to the post and the scriptures in them that you are supposedly replying to which was about known and unknown sin. Anyhow brother all good lets see what you have this time and compare your claims to God's WORD.

Your claim here this time is that "The only part of the Law of Sinai Jesus repeats as a requirement is the Shema, to love God with all your heart soul and strength and you neighbor as yourself."

Now lets examine if your first claim is true? While JESUS does focus on LOVE does he separate LOVE from the keeping of God's Commandments? This is somthing that we should also consider.

What you have said however is partly correct. Jesus did indeed focus on the inside out and love saying in MATTHEW 5:20 For I say to you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Take a look a little further in relation to the inside out in MATTHEW 5:21 it says [21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, You shall not kill; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: v22, But I say to you, That whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Then we read in MATTHEW 5:27-28 just a little further, [27], You have heard that it was said by them of old time, You shall not commit adultery:[28], But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So brother what is are these LAWS that JESUS is referring to here in relation to the inside out? Are they the LAW of LOVE to God and man or the 10 Commandments? You will find your answer in EXODUS 20:13 and EXODUS 20:14 from the 10 Commandments

You forget the Beatitudes, after that you are a disciple and the world hates you because of that. Jesus final metaphor is the narrow path that leads to life and the broad road that leads to destruction, the road to Sinai is part of that broad road because you can be breaking that Law and never realize it. I addressed the one thing you didn't, saving faith in the message of the gospel. Your wanting to go back to being the son of that slave woman, I prefer the mother of promise, and Zion. Sinai was very dramatic but in their hearts they turned back to Egypt, worshiped Molech and refused to enter the promised land. Yes, that road is broad and many there are that go by it but the Law won't provide the righteousness it bears witness to, it can only show you you are a sinner. There was a daily reminder of sin, there was a yearly reminder of sin under that covenant. Christ died once and for all and remains the only sin sacrifice for salvation.

Jesus is quoting the 10 commandments and applying them to the inside out.

Now let's look at the CONTEXT of MATTHEW 5:21-28. These scriptures we have just looked at that show JESUS applying the 10 COMMANDMENTS to the inside out (the heart).

MATTHEW 5:17-19
[17], Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
[18], For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19], Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

What law is it that JESUS is refering to if we are discussing MURDER and ADULTERY a little further on and applying these scriptures to the inside out (the heart)? Yep you guessed it the Torah which includes the 10 commandments.

So brother back to the claim you made earlier. Is JESUS ONLY talking about LOVE in the NEW TESTAMENT or is he also talking about the 10 commandments?

Let's look at little further and see what else JESUS says?

MATTHEW 19:16-19
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments.

You can't keep that Law, as the Apostle Peter said:

“Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:7-9)
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Did you get that because I've yet to hear it from you. Hear the gospel and believe, purify you heart by faith, nothing about the Ten Commandments in fact, being circumcised under those conditions means being responsible for keeping the whole Law.

Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.” (Acts 15;10-11)
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No, the Apostle says, the Law is a yoke neither we nor or fathers could bear. We are saved by grace through faith, just as we are. Why can't you see that?

NOTE: What commandments is JESUS now talking about? The Shema (LOVE) or the 10 commandments? Let's read on...

[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
[19], Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[20], The young man said to him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21], Jesus said to him, If you will be perfect, go and sell that you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
[22], But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Note: JESUS is LINKS both the SHEMA LOVE with the 10 COMMANDMENTS. WHY? BECAUSE LOVE is the very expression of OBEDIENCE to God's 10 Commandments and is why JESUS says if you LOVE me keep my commandments. LOVE is expressed in OBEDIENCE to God's LAW. If you LOVE your neighbore you will not steal from them, you will not lie to them or kill them right? You cannot separate LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's LAW because OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is the very expression of what LOVE is.

Let's look at some more scriptures...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets. .

NOTE: brother can you see your error here? JESUS does not separate LOVE from God's LAW because LOVE is expressed through OBEDIENCE to God's LAW. This is the NEW COVENANT "
I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts *HEBREWS 8:10.

CAN YOU SEPARATE GOD'S 10 COMMANDMENTS FROM LOVE?

Jesus says in MATTHEW 22...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

NOTE: Jesus when asked this question from the Lawyer is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. Finishes by saying that on the two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets.

What does v40 mean?

LUKE 10:25-28
[25], And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tested him, saying, Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[26], He said unto him, what is written in the law? how read you?
[27], And he [the Lawyer] answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.
[28], And he said unto him, you have answered right: this do, and you shall live.

NOTE: The lawyer knew what it means to love God and love his neighbore. How? Notice the question that the lawyer starts os by asking Jesus; "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?". Now notice that the very same question is asked again and look how Jesus answers...

MATTHEW 19:16-19
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, YOU SHALL DO NO MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT LIE, [19], HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and you shall love your neighbour as yourself.
Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

NOTE: Notice in that the question from the rich young ruler is the very same question as asked by the lawyer "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?" but both were answered by Jesus in a different way. When the Lawer asked the question he answered his own question by saying LOVE to GOD and LOVE to his neighbor (from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18). Jesus said he answered correctly. When the rich yound ruler asked the same question Jesus answered by saying keep the 10 Commandments and starts out quoting them as his duty of LOVE to his neighbor.

Is this a contradiction of scripture? In no way the answer has already been given in MATTHEW 22:36-40. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD and LOVE TO MAN) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOUR it is expressed through our actions.

If we LOVE our neighbor...

* We will honor our parents,
* We will not kill them
* We will not commit adultery with thier spouse
* We will not steal from them
* We will not lie to them
* We will not covet what they own.

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods
* We will not make idols and worship them
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain
* We will remember his Sabbath and keep it holy.

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [OF LOVE] HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

PAUL understood what JESUS was talking about...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

Notice what PAUL says here? LOVE is fulfilling [doing] God's Commandments. God's Commandments or duty towards your neighbor is summed up as you shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself v9. [On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets Matthew 22:40].

PAUL agrees with Jesus that if you LOVE you will fulfill God's LAW. What about JAMES?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James is using the second great commandment of LOVE which hangs all the commandments of our duty of love to our neighbour and quotes the commandments showing our duty towards our neighbor. This is why Jesus says “On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets” Matthew 22:40. and again..

JOHN 14:15 [15], IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

You cannot separate LOVE from God’s LAW. Love is the FULFILLING of it and is demonstrated by OBEDIENCE to Gods’ LAW as our duty of LOVE to God and man. [“On these two commandments [of LOVE] hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets]

What is the commandment Jesus is referring to in the Upper Room because it's not the Law of Moses.

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CONCLUSION: It is very clear that JESUS, PAUL and JAMES are all in agreement that the two GREAT COMMANDMENTS of LOVE that JESUS quoted from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 were used and known in the OLD Testament scripture to sum up our duty of LOVE to God and man in the 10 Commandments.... God's LAW (Ten commandments) is not separated from LOVE it demonstrates it. You cannot have LOVE without fulfilling God's Ten Commandments. [On these two Commandments of LOVE hang all the LAW and the prophets].

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you JESUS links God's LAW to LOVE as LOVE is the very expression of it to God and man. Can you see your error here brother?

Hope this helps.

I told you the Shema was still binding and did a better job of an exposition in a few lines then you did in this whole post. The guy that said he had always kept the Law had a problem he was unaware of, he was covetous. Paul relates his experience with that commandment saying it brought out all kinds of covetousness, not exactly a ringing endorsement for your view. I'm comfortable with my exposition of the related Scriptures and still waiting on yours.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You forget the Beatitudes, after that you are a disciple and the world hates you because of that. Jesus final metaphor is the narrow path that leads to life and the broad road that leads to destruction, the road to Sinai is part of that broad road because you can be breaking that Law and never realize it. I addressed the one thing you didn't, saving faith in the message of the gospel. Your wanting to go back to being the son of that slave woman, I prefer the mother of promise, and Zion. Sinai was very dramatic but in their hearts they turned back to Egypt, worshiped Molech and refused to enter the promised land. Yes, that road is broad and many there are that go by it but the Law won't provide the righteousness it bears witness to, it can only show you you are a sinner. There was a daily reminder of sin, there was a yearly reminder of sin under that covenant. Christ died once and for all and remains the only sin sacrifice for salvation.

No brother I have not forgotten the beatitudes I was addressing your claims that JESUS only spoke about the SHEMA LOVE to God and MAN and have shown through the scriptures God's WORD does not separate LOVE and LAW as LOVE is expressed through OBEDIENCE to God's LAW to both God and man. This disagrees with what you posted earlier and is why all those scriptures were provided that disagree with you on this matter.

You can't keep that Law, as the Apostle Peter said: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:7-9)

All we can do without JESUS is sin because we are all sinners by nature but abiding in CHRIST we can do all things as he strengthens us to walk in his SPIRIT by continuing in his WORD *JOHN 8:31-36. This is why we need to be BORN again to LOVE. We need a NEW HEART which is the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. JESUS says...

JOHN 3:3-7
[3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4], Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.
[8], The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Those who are BORN of GOD to the NEW COVENANT PROMISE of LOVE *HEBREWS 8:7-12 do not practice sin and this is the difference between the Children of GOD and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 2:3-4.

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his nature remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

GOD’S PEOPLE KEEP ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDMENTS BY FAITH

JOHN 14:15-26 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments. [16], and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; [17], Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was angry with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 14:12 [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVLATION 22:14 [14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you. God's WORD does not separate LOVE from God's LAW as God's LAW is the very expression of what LOVE is and is the reason we need to be born again into the NEW COVENANT promise of HEBREWS 8:10-12.

Hope this helps.

 

[mark kennedy]

Not really brother you cannot know the Gospel without God's WORD because the Gospel is God's WORD. JESUS is the LIVING WORD of GOD and he has given is the written Word (gospel) to BELIEVE and FOLLOW. Those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD do not know him who calls us in love to love another.

You want to get to the loving one another without the cross, it doesn't work that way. I never hear it from you, Christ and him crucified is not that hard of a doctrine to wrap your mind around.

Brother you seem to like making strawman arguments that no one has said to you or believes. If I do not believe we are saved by the works of the law then why pretend that I do? We are only saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8.

Brother if I believe that my salvation is by faith in what JESUS has done for me and I accept it by faith alone you miss the simple reason as to why it is I follow him. I follow JESUS because I LOVE him not because I am saved by what I do. I am already saved so I do what he wants me to do by faith and walking in the Spirit of his WORD.

Many however do not know why God has given us his grace do you know?

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

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CONCLUSION: God's GRACE is for OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH and FAITH DOES NOT ABOLISH God's LAW it ESTABLISHES God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and LOVE God's WORD (JESUS) and is why JESUS says IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS *JOHN 14:15.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with your claims again. You cannot separate God's LAW, GRACE and FAITH from LOVE. LOVE is the very fulfilling and establishing of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE and LOVE JESUS and have the PROMISE of the NEW HEART to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:7-12.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

It establishes the Law in our hearts through new birth, God choosing us in the beloved and receiving the Holy Spirit of promise. You really will never get around that.