Hebrews 9:28

[zoidar]

I have looked at Hebrews and got stuck with these verses:

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
— Hebrews 9:27-28

I get that Christ only needed to be offered once. It also says Christ having been offered once to bear the sins of many. I know "many" is used in quite a few places in the Bible and it can mean "all/everyone" or "the elect". How do you understand Hebrew 9:27-28? Everyone is free to give their input, whatever view one holds.

Christ love! ✝️❤️

 

[HTacianas]

I have looked at Hebrews and got stuck with these verses:

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
— Hebrews 9:27-28

I get that Christ only needed to be offered once. It also says Christ having been offered once to bear the sins of many. I know many is used in quite a few places in the Bible and it can mean "all/everyone" or "the elect". How do you understand Hebrew 9:27-28? Everyone is free to give their input, whatever view one holds.

Christ love! ✝️❤️

Christ was offered to bear the sins of all who will accept it. Like it says here:

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

No one can come unless God calls him, but some resist the call:

Act 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

 

[pescador]

Here are the verses from Hebrews, NET Bible 2:1, "For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with hands—the representation of the true sanctuary—but into heaven itself, and he appears now in God’s presence for us. And he did not enter to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the sanctuary year after year with blood that is not his own, for then he would have had to suffer again and again since the foundation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the consummation of the ages to put away sin by his sacrifice. And just as people are appointed to die once, and then to face judgment, so also, after Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many, to those who eagerly await him he will appear a second time, not to bear sin but to bring salvation."

"... bear the sins of many" is a quote from Isaiah 53:12

The main point IMHO is that by His sacrifice He "put away sin". I wouldn't get too concerned about "the many", as elsewhere in Scripture it clearly says that He paid the penalty for all sin.

John 3:16-18, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God."

 

[pescador]

Christ was offered to bear the sins of all who will accept it. Like it says here:

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

No one can come unless God calls him, but some resist the call:

Act 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

I disagree. Christ was offered to bear the sins of everyone. There is no one whose sins have not been paid for by Jesus' death.

See my post above.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Jesus died for all people prior to His resurrection. Hell was emptied.

Jesus blood is powerful to cleanse, justify and claim all people potentially, even if they never accept it. The Bible says Jesus is the saviour of all especially those who believe. 1 Tim 4:10. Babies who pass from this world inherit life. But older people may miss out, and those who never heard the Gospel somehow, may not accept grace.

 

[Minister Monardo]

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
— Hebrews 9:27-28

The first notice to me is that upon His return the second time,
He will bring salvation.
Matthew 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

Knowing this, that as we have judged others, we shall be judged
by the same measure we meted out.
Romans 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you
show contempt for your brother?
For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,
and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life.
And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were
written in the books.

To be found rejoicing and eagerly awaiting His return, we must after all,
be found standing on His promises, on a sure foundation.
Ephesians 6:13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may
be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I have looked at Hebrews and got stuck with these verses:

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
— Hebrews 9:27-28

I get that Christ only needed to be offered once. It also says Christ having been offered once to bear the sins of many. I know many is used in quite a few places in the Bible and it can mean "all/everyone" or "the elect". How do you understand Hebrew 9:27-28? Everyone is free to give their input, whatever view one holds.

Christ love! ✝️❤️

I posted that this morning... but I'm confused as to what your confusion is specifically.

We all die - earthly body - one time.

Christ came the first time bodily and died, per the earthly nature, and when He comes a second time it will be to gather the saints to Himself - those whom are given into His Hand - mainly because that is the basis of judgement; it's based on faith in Him. For the saints it's a positive thing, for the unsaved it's negative.

The "who" is gathered to Him is whomever has their faith anchored in Christ; those who belong to Him. It likely doesn't matter here whether you believe faith is your own choice or God's.

I lean toward God's choice - but am unwilling to argue that point because faith in Christ alone is what matters at the time of death. How you came about that faith may not be a huge sticking point when it comes to actually holding it in reality. You either do or don't...

 

[Minister Monardo]

Hell was emptied.

Where is it said that hell was emptied?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Where is it said that hell was emptied?

I learned this from Ian McCormack's preaching. There are the verses about Jesus preaching to those in gloomy dungeons, even the worst ones, from before the flood, the Nephilim.

 

[Clare73]

I have looked at Hebrews and got stuck with these verses:

And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
— Hebrews 9:27-28

I get that Christ only needed to be offered once. It also says Christ having been offered once to bear the sins of many. I know "many" is used in quite a few places in the Bible and it can mean "all/everyone" or "the elect". How do you understand Hebrew 9:27-28? Everyone is free to give their input, whatever view one holds.

Christ love! ✝️❤️

Well, the first thing I notice is that as men die once and then comes judgment,
so Christ appears/comes again once, and then comes judgment. . .of all mankind at the end of time, and not before.

Also I notice that when Christ comes a second time for "salvation without reference to sin" he is coming a second time not to bear sin, but to bring salvation; i.e., salvation's completion in the resurrection of our bodies and eternity with him (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

And then, I take my view of his atoning death from the OT Day of Atonement, which sacrifice was only for the people of God, not for all mankind,
therefore, I see "many" as meaning not all, only those in Christ.

 

[HTacianas]

I disagree. Christ was offered to bear the sins of everyone. There is no one whose sins have not been paid for by Jesus' death.

See my post above.

But when you say everyone, what do you mean by that? What does it accomplish for everyone?

 

[Minister Monardo]

I learned this from Ian McCormack's preaching. There are the verses about Jesus preaching to those in gloomy dungeons, even the worst ones, from before the flood, the Nephilim.

I am aware of Jesus descending, and speaking to the prisoners found there.
1 Peter 3:
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God,
being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison.
But does the preacher say that this emptied hell? Hades does not give up its dead
until the time of the second resurrection.
Revelation 20:
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth
and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened.
And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged
according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead
who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
I apologize to @zoidar is this is going off topic. Let me know if you want me to drop this.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Jesus told the thief being crucified next to Him that this day, he would be with Jesus in paradise.

 

[d taylor]

He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

His second appearing will be a physical salvation for believing Jews.

Men die once and then face judgment, for the believer, it is the Judgment seat of The Messiah. For unbelievers, it is the Great White Throne Judgment.

This is not a judgment of sins (as The Messiah took away the sin of the world) this is a judgment of works for both the believer and unbeliever.

 

[pescador]

But when you say everyone, what do you mean by that? What does it accomplish for everyone?

Everyone means -- everyone. Every person, regardless of when/where/how they lived or are living, has sinned. There is a price to pay for sin: separation from God. Therefore everyone is separated from God because of their sin, and, most importantly, that separation is eternal.

The penalty for sin is death. There is no alternative, no "reduction of sentence". The penalty must be paid in full by the sinner or by a substitute. Jesus is that substitute. By His sacrificial death the penalty has been paid for all people for all time. Hallelujah!

It is up to each individual to a) admit their guilt, b) accept the penalty, and c) accept that Jesus paid the penalty for their sin. If they don't do all three, then they are separated from God for all eternity.

I don't claim to understand how this applies to the unborn, to children or others who lack the capacity to understand the above, or to people who have never been informed of the above. In Judaism -- my heritage -- the age of awareness and responsibility is 13. (In Biblical times, teenagers were functioning "adults"). I can't imagine God holding children and other "innocents" fully responsible for their actions.

 

[pescador]

But when you say everyone, what do you mean by that? What does it accomplish for everyone?

Everyone means ... everyone. John 3:17-18, "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God."

That covers everyone: those who believe in Jesus' sacrifice to pay the penalty for their sin, and those who don't believe that. Those who accept the death as the price for their individual sins will have eternal life; those who don't accept the death as the price for their individual sins are judged guilty and will pay the penalty: eternal separation from God.

 

[pescador]

He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

His second appearing will be a physical salvation for believing Jews.

Men die once and then face judgment, for the believer, it is the Judgment seat of The Messiah. For unbelievers, it is the Great White Throne Judgment.

This is not a judgment of sins (as The Messiah took away the sin of the world) this is a judgment of works for both the believer and unbeliever.

I don't think that your conclusion agrees with Scripture.

a) Where does it say that His second appearing will be a physical salvation for believing Jews? Why just Jews, and not everyone?
b) Your statement that to those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation seems to contradict the above.

 

[d taylor]

I don't think that your conclusion agrees with Scripture.

a) Where does it say that His second appearing will be a physical salvation for believing Jews? Why just Jews, and not everyone?
b) Your statement that to those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation seems to contradict the above.

Does Jesus not come Back to fight for Israel against the forces of satan.

If you want to add into this as is stated in the verse "To those who eagerly wait for Him" say that it is believers gentile and Jewish who are eagerly waiting. But i believe all believing Jews will be eagerly waiting not so sure if all gentile believers will be eagerly waiting.

I also say what is said, because Hebrews audience when written was to christian Jews.

 

[zoidar]

Christ was offered to bear the sins of all who will accept it. Like it says here:

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

No one can come unless God calls him, but some resist the call:

Act 7:51 “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

Do mean Christ didn't bear a person's sins until the person accepts it? Sounds somewhat strange to me. So Jesus didn't carry my sins until 2010 when I came to faith? How does that work?

Edit: I have thought about this, you might be on to something, but I will wait to write more before your reply, to see if we are on the same line of thinking

 

[zoidar]

I posted that this morning... but I'm confused as to what your confusion is specifically.

We all die - earthly body - one time.

Christ came the first time bodily and died, per the earthly nature, and when He comes a second time it will be to gather the saints to Himself - those whom are given into His Hand - mainly because that is the basis of judgement; it's based on faith in Him. For the saints it's a positive thing, for the unsaved it's negative.

The "who" is gathered to Him is whomever has their faith anchored in Christ; those who belong to Him. It likely doesn't matter here whether you believe faith is your own choice or God's.

I lean toward God's choice - but am unwilling to argue that point because faith in Christ alone is what matters at the time of death. How you came about that faith may not be a huge sticking point when it comes to actually holding it in reality. You either do or don't...

Good to see you Hazelelponi! I'm a bit confused about the word "many". I don't think "many" here refers to "all", yet I believe Christ bore everyone's sins, so I like to see different angles to the text.