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The post is up, for any who'd like to read. Enjoy.You can't disconnect yourself. My answer to this is larger than I'll post here. I will have it posted on my blog at www.ablessedman.com by mid-week.
You are part of the Body of Christ. You are not your own. You are sealed for redemption. It is God's decision what your use in the Body will be after you have chosen the Blessing over the curse.
Also to add just one more brother,Bob in the context of divorce.
Better to marry than to burn.
Or remarry?
I think Jesus like Moses gave us a way out, but it was not as God intended, but if it would be a sin Jesus would not have gave us the way out.
My wife is divorced, her ex got a girl friend and forbid my wife from coming home while his girlfriend was over, so she left him with her son. i don't think God faults her and i don't believe we are committing adultery. I believe God broke the bond between her and her ex, besides they were not married in a church by a pastor but at the court house. I feel that does matter in marriage as well.
Yes, He did.I think Jesus like Moses gave us a way out, but it was not as God intended, but if it would be a sin Jesus would not have gave us the way out.
No, she is not in sin. You two are not committing adultery.My wife is divorced, her ex got a girl friend and forbid my wife from coming home while his girlfriend was over, so she left him with her son. i don't think God faults her and i don't believe we are committing adultery.
This is why I sighed. This is philosophy. You believe something here because you "feel" it to be so. It must be, God certainly must think that....I believe God broke the bond between her and her ex, besides they were not married in a church by a pastor but at the court house. I feel that does matter in marriage as well.
But I do have a question for everyone in the thread.
My motive is a step son who thinks it is so wrong not to believe in OSAS that he condemns his previous Church.
Tell me why it truly matters and is a deal breaker?
In the simplicity of the law of Moses,circumstances we encounter today were not considered then.
Today a Woman's role has changed dramatically,as well with the Man.
The new testament expounds on logic and reason in the Pauline Epistles and in Acts.
But I do have a question for everyone in the thread.
My motive is a step son who thinks it is so wrong not to believe in OSAS that he condemns his previous Church.
Tell me why it truly matters and is a deal breaker?
We abide in Romans 8,thus being saved we walk after the Spirit.
I could not fathom a spirit filled believer in a constant state of seeking flesh.
Now if you teach salvation can be lost how do you as a man or woman judge the person.
I see this becoming legalism:
Example you child has a poster of a rock star,your child is saved.
Someone comes in sees poster condemning your child to Hell if they do not repent.
This is illogical according to Hebrews,because once your out of grace Christ will not bare the cross again.
I am presuming one would interpret Hebrews 10 as a statement of loss of salvation.
So that would be extreme be it I have witness of such nonsense.
On the less extreme view you could simply think it possible to lose but wouldn't want to try
What is missing is a person who loves the Lord in Spirit and truth does not worry about such
Things,and someone who is in perpetual sin and claimed salvation is a liar.
My point is it should not divide us it should not matter what your brother thinks on OSAS
The only parting of ways should be with the legal extremist,and the false confessed salvation.
*sigh*
Yes, He did.
No, she is not in sin. You two are not committing adultery.
Matt 5:32 (NET)
But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
This is why I sighed. This is philosophy. You believe something here because you "feel" it to be so. It must be, God certainly must think that....
No.
Adam and Eve had no pastor; they had no church. Do you think that after the first time they "knew" each other that God joined them together? Do you think that God does not join two together simply because it was a civil marriage?
The issue here is the ex-husband's immorality. That released your wife.
And for others who aren't covered by such, there is repentance and forgiveness in Christ Jesus. Don't use this as a free ticket, for God knows, but true repentance will bring God's forgiveness.
You can't disconnect yourself. My answer to this is larger than I'll post here. I will have it posted on my blog at www.ablessedman.com by mid-week.
You are part of the Body of Christ. You are not your own. You are sealed for redemption. It is God's decision what your use in the Body will be after you have chosen the Blessing over the curse.
The post is up, for any who'd like to read. Enjoy.
I'm becoming increasingly convinced from scripture and testimonies (and working on confirming with the Lord) that SBG believers CAN'T "lose" their salvation, but a child of GOD can "walk away from" (reject, turn away from the Lord) and REJECT their salvation.
I hope to provide a scripture presentation ASAP, for why Dad Hagin did hear the Lord correctly on how:
1. sinning DOESN'T automatically lose us our salvation (sin can be forgiven by the blood of JESUS), but
2. walking away from the Lord and REFUSING to return to HIM is REJECTING salvation, and
3. a lifestyle of sin proves a person hasn't yet become SBG (and the LORD can say "I NEVER KNEW YOU").
For now, here's one of several testimonies on what happens when a Christian turns away from Christ, and refuses to return to HIM:
Heaven Appointments | Dr. Reggie Anderson | It's Supernatural with Sid Roth - YouTube
Timepoint is 21 minutes for man who refused to come back to the Lord.
Depending upon how old he is and how long he's been a Christian.... has anything that he believed in before changed? Has he changed his mind from his early walk until now?
The point of the matter is that there are different theological interpretations of scripture. Nobody can be certain in non-essential areas of the church. Doctrinal issues will abound and none of us can be 100% certain.
These things are simply what we believe to be true. And I for one defend what I believe to be true unless I truly have not taken a side on an issue. If I believe something is a certain way then I will defend it until someone gives me reason to pause or to change.
The essentials -- Jesus is God, there is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Jesus is eternal and is not a created being, etc. -- are simply non-negotiable. But even here we have disagreements about how to interpret certain things (like the person of Christ).
Most things in OSAS can be interpreted in the lost salvation thought anyway: "He lost his salvation" vs. "He was never saved in the first place.". And many others.
The difference to me is how I perceive God. In a lost salvation thought God can be seen vindictive, uncaring, not in control. How could He let a child become lost again? But in OSAS He is in control. He will keep me and it is not up to my "works."
So, if your step son changed his mind on ANYTHING, then he simply cannot be certain that he will NEVER change his mind on OSAS (I won't, but he might).
I hate to do it too.I hate to do this but on divorce:
Why should we,why not have multiple wife's since it was not condemned in the Old Testament,it was not part of the law of Moses nor of sanitary ordinance.
In the new testament we find no such condemnation of it,only on divorce.
So should we do as David did and not release Sauls daughter?
Just keep them around for them to heckle us?
Personally I think it was Constantine who reformed marriage,and gave a harsh view on divorce influencing the Vulgate.
Passing down through translation all the way to the puritan dogmatism.
I'm not promoting polygamy,just thought.
Back to OSAS
2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2 Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
Now we have to reconcile this with Hebrews 10.
I hate to do it too.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (KJV)
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
This too was not explicitly rejected in the New Testament .
So how do we deal with such "discrepancies?"
And Constantine aside, Jesus and Paul were quite adamant about divorce. And for those who may have divorce in their past, there is forgiveness.
Now Faith, 2 Peter 21 is speaking of the unsaved who get a glimpse of how to achieve righteousness.
Look at how the chapter starts:
2 Peter 2:1-2 (NET)
But false prophets arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. These false teachers will infiltrate your midst with destructive heresies, even to the point of denying the Master who bought them. As a result, they will bring swift destruction on themselves. 2 And many will follow their debauched lifestyles. Because of these false teachers, the way of truth will be slandered.
Paul begins by pointing out the false (and unsaved) prophets. Then those who listen to them and have a debauched lifestyle and thus never find real Truth.
The juxtaposition here is the unsaved who have not heard the Word and the unsaved who have heard it and rejected it. Add to that the faithful of the Old Testament who were prior to þh cross and never heard about Jesus -- yet they are saved and Hebrews 11 (Hall of Fame of faith) speaks highly of them.
On one point why do you consider 2nd Peter written by Paul.
I would doubt Paul would write anything introduced as Peters work.
It is written in a different style than first Peter but we must consider a broader audience and the time between 1st and 2nd,there are similar verses in Jude but this does not deter Peters work.
This passage simply is a restatement of Christ in the parable of the man returning to the house finding it swept clean,with
7 more spirits dwelling there and the latter man is worse off than the first.
Question: the verse says and they are again entangled with in.,what would be the destiny of the man not getting tangled up ?
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