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The OT people did not have sin remission until NT times. The perfect word is about sin cleansing, as per several passages in Hebrews.Why? Do you think we're above such pride? We're not.
...and we have a winner!
It is not a winner, sin and death reigned until the cross, so the OT people were in the old dominion, that is a fact.Why? Do you think we're above such pride? We're not.
...and we have a winner!
True.I am sure that a Catholic is welcome to start a thread in this forum because there are many charismatic Catholics and all Catholics believe that God's gifts persist to this day. It is probably impossible to be a Catholic Christian and not believe that God continues to send visions and dreams and work miracles among the faithful.
It says they did not receive the promises.Why? Do you think we're above such pride? We're not.
...and we have a winner!
You are doing just fine here!You have your opinion. Just because I do not choose to answer your questions to your satisfaction, does not mean that I do not know. I am very comfortable in my own knowledge and my own faith and beliefs. You have a wonderful evening.
I am still trying to understand how you think we get the blessing from the law, but not the curses? We can't go fishing for what we like in an obsolete abolished, defunct, old cov, that was not even given to the churches.You did not answer the question at all, you evaded it at every turn. If you knew why would you deny others knowing what the answer is?
Paul sure quoted the OT in Galatians to ward of the Hebrew roots movement. Also the verse shows how it was a sealed cov, all or nothing, you can't extract the blessings you kept asking people about, without the curses, thus sayeth Paul.Not true
Whatever floats your boat. But if you look back I quoted more NT scriptures than I did old in order to prove my points....Paul did that too, only he quoted OT which I ended up quoting too by quoting him, so he and I are in good company.
Ok, curious, do you think it is sin to eat lobster, pork, catfish, crawfish, shrimp, crab, etc?I did not make any posts advocating observance of dietary laws, I simply pointed out that if God said something was not food then it's not food, even though you may be able to put it in your mouth, chew it and swallow....just like my dog who eats cat poop but that's not dog food.
good one!Excellent! Then we can enjoy a bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich together some time.
hmmmmmm..but if you liked it, are you allowed, according to how you see the text, to eat lobster?You can eat lobster, but I'll probably get steak or chicken. I think lobster is the cockroach of the sea...very dirty. Plus I don't like the taste.
Our bro is not taunting, you asked several questions over and over, to the same member, "ToBeLoved". Thanks,frog.I love clam chowder and I have a recipe I have not tried yet for vegan chowder. It sounded yummy. I also have a recipe for vegan pulled pork. It uses Jackfruit and it tasted pretty awesome. My aunt who is a pork eater loved it.
Is that your proof as to if someone is a believer or not? Why are you taunting me?
Yep, and it says every moving thing...God didn't say it was not food. It was forbidden to Israel between the time when the covenant at Sinai was given until the New Covenant in Christ came. It was all food for Noah and all food since Christ.
Pigs move, lobsters do too, and clams also. They were given by God as food.And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
(Genesis 9:1-6 KJV)
Pigs, lobsters, and clams are all creatures that God created and are all given by God to us as food.Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
(1 Timothy 4:1-5 KJV)
Because there is a difference in faith, and THE faith, in Gal 3. The OT people had faith, but they were not in "the" faith yet, it had not come, it was hidden.There is no question for, at all, that what the faith looks like today is not even close to what it looked like in his day. That isn't to say that people today aren't saved or anything like that, but we are so far off-track that it truly is two religions. Yeshua did not come to create a new religion, he came to walk prophetically within an already established path. But, time and incrementalism has caused the ship to drift. My goal is not to rewrite the story but get back to the original intent.
Please read this and you will see how and where it was abolished.Not true at all... while many do fall into that category, most don't. But, cheery pick through 40,000+ denominations and sects of mainstream Christianity and we can make mainstream Christianity look pretty radical. Yeshua and YHWH are one and the same!
Definitions. If I come in faith to the God of Israel through the messiah of Israel, I believe that makes me part of Israel. This then stands in harmony with Paul saying I WAS a gentile and WAS an alien of the Commonwealth of Israel but am NOW a fellow citizen. At the least, we are like the "foreigners/strangers" who came out of Egypt with Israel. They were to be treated as if native born. They had the Torah given to them as well. And they assimilated into the tribes they traveled with making them as much "Israel" as "Israel."
Again, definitions. You treat phrase "under the law" as one thing, when I know it to be an idiomatic phrase. The truth is, we are not under the law... we are not guilty, we are under grace...forgiven. As for fulfilled, like most Christians you treat this word as if it means "to bring an end to, abolish." So, let me show you what you definition does to Scripture:
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (NIV)
Now here is that verse again, as you define fulfill:
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to abolish them.
Because you force "fulfill" to mean "abolish," Matthew 5:17 literally contradicts itself.
No, just misunderstood. Causing Scripture to stands at odds with itself is dangerous, which is what many mainstream teachings, do... unknowingly, but they do.
To that, I have no doubt. This is a young immature movement that is not equipped to touch the holy thing without profaning it. These are people who have come from mainstream Christianity who have not been taught methods of exegesis, they have no training in linguistics and semiotics, they wouldn't know a "time period source" if it bit them in the rear.... and yet they are dealing with information that requires training... discipleship. So, they become a polarizing mess that alienates friends, family, and brethren over issues THEY THINK are paramount but that truly are minutia. Does God care if one says Yahweh and another says Yehovah while another says Lord? No... He seeks a pure heart aimed at HIM!
I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater, I would wait and see if God has a plan here. These people in that forum (a place I have not gone yet, and probably won't because of how volatile I already know it is) do not represent the body of work nor some things that are happening that God is currently doing. They are too wrapped up changing the litmus test from fruit production to knowledge and they WILL answer for this! (To God)
Blessings.
Ken
No they did not the Jewish Christians in Antioch were living and eating as gentiles, according to the gal 2 account.We define worship differently. The word in Hebrew is shachah, it means "to bend the knee, to bow." The idea is submission, we bend before the Lord, we bow before the Lord... we are submitting to the Lord... HE IS LORD. So all we do, our daily walk, our obedience, our reaching out to others, our study, our family life... on into how we interact at church... to the raising of hands... all we do while in submission to Him is part of worship.
To address your point... there were similarities and there still are. You're Catholic, right? Go to an Orthodox Jewish synagogue and watch. The incense, the holding up of the Word and veneration toward it... a few other rituals you do are directly tied to things that have been done in Synagogues or the Temple for a long long time. However, in some areas small changes, VERY SMALL at the time, were made that came in the form of decrees. To Martyr those changes weren't large enough to make note of, so to him things were "very much like" what had happened back then. Although Sunday worship, I will say, was not the majority position until after 134AD. Anyway... over time those small changes barely noticeable to a guy like Martyr become larger changes as time goes on. We replace the feasts with church instituted holidays some of which really are ex-pagan holy days given a new title and new face. The first century Christian still ate a biblically clean diet and to stop that a decree had to be passed that says we are not to eat the food of the Jews. Anyway... I have to run.... I have a study to get to.
Blessings.
Ken
red above, here are the facts about who ate what.We define worship differently. The word in Hebrew is shachah, it means "to bend the knee, to bow." The idea is submission, we bend before the Lord, we bow before the Lord... we are submitting to the Lord... HE IS LORD. So all we do, our daily walk, our obedience, our reaching out to others, our study, our family life... on into how we interact at church... to the raising of hands... all we do while in submission to Him is part of worship.
To address your point... there were similarities and there still are. You're Catholic, right? Go to an Orthodox Jewish synagogue and watch. The incense, the holding up of the Word and veneration toward it... a few other rituals you do are directly tied to things that have been done in Synagogues or the Temple for a long long time. However, in some areas small changes, VERY SMALL at the time, were made that came in the form of decrees. To Martyr those changes weren't large enough to make note of, so to him things were "very much like" what had happened back then. Although Sunday worship, I will say, was not the majority position until after 134AD. Anyway... over time those small changes barely noticeable to a guy like Martyr become larger changes as time goes on. We replace the feasts with church instituted holidays some of which really are ex-pagan holy days given a new title and new face. The first century Christian still ate a biblically clean diet and to stop that a decree had to be passed that says we are not to eat the food of the Jews. Anyway... I have to run.... I have a study to get to.
Blessings.
Ken
I thought it was a good question but I didn't get a reply until I asked several more questions about the specifics of bacon, lobster, and clam chowder! I am not sure why it happens but some posts are not really responses to what is asked or what is written. I guess it is easier to play the man than to address the issue.Good question, I await to see the reply!
BLT is almost heavengood one!
I accidently unliked one of your posts, that I liked, but then I changed it, just so you know. I meant to hit reply.
I want a BLT too, on seeded rye!
There are some moving things I prefer not to eat but as saint John says everything God created is good when it is eaten with thanksgiving because the word of God and prayer make it holy.Yep, and it says every moving thing...
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