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Discussion Hebrew Roots; error or something else?

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Acts 15 was about the law, that is a fact. Circumcision meant keep the law, see gal 5:3. Plain and simple. Keep the law, means keep the law in any school. Paul and Barnabas fought them off big time when they came to Antioch Acts 15. He did not care about school, he knew just what they wanted, and said no circumcision to become Jewish for the church, by the rite of circumcision.
 
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Tell me what you are offended by and maybe I can clear up the misunderstanding. Also, I have not "come into" this forum, I belong here. I'm charismatic and have been here for over 10 years.

You are talking about heathens being part of the Old Covenant, maybe a few, but the Old Covenant was not open to all people's. Then you talk about repenting. There was no repenting in the Old Covenant. I'm wondering how you can even begin to question what were the basic differences. You are asking what's new between burned offerings and animal sacrifice and a law that once you broke one law, you have broken them all vs. the gift of grace through the death of Jesus Christ? God with us and in us?

That to me is a little of why I find it offensive.
 
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exactly we can't go there and debate, but they can come here, I tried to argue that point when they were making the new rules.
 
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does the new cov restrict us to the mosaic food laws, and make us by law have to keep the feasts? Do boys on the 8th day who are Ghristians have to be literally circumcised like the old cov says to do?
 
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exactly!
 
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exactly there are alot of verses that show the gentiles were not given the law, if one of our MJ friends wants proof, the frog has text to post.
 
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please, the earnest expectation is about the adoption glorification, that did not come by la,w you are really misusing that verse. The law voids the Abrahamic promise.

Rom 4:14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void.

you quote 2 Cor 1:22, as Paul was warding off Judaizers in the same book, and the old cov in 2 Cor 3.
 
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exactly there are alot of verses that show the gentiles were not given the law, if one of our MJ friends wants proof, the frog has text to post.

Doesn't it say in the OT something like "this is the covenant that the Lord God makes with Israel". I'm going to look it up unless you have it my fine, green amphibian friend.
 
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not a decade, Acts 10 was only about 6-7 years after Pentecost.
 
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Doesn't it say in the OT something like "this is the covenant that the Lord God makes with Israel". I'm going to look it up unless you have it my fine, green amphibian friend.
There are numerous passages that say the law was given to Israel through Moses. I hope our MJ and HRM interlocutors would not contradict that.
 
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Doesn't it say in the OT something like "this is the covenant that the Lord God makes with Israel". I'm going to look it up unless you have it my fine, green amphibian friend.
Yes, and look at all of these verses that show who got the old cov, it was the jews, not gentiles.


Declared to who???? With no other nation, that would be Gentiles!

Psalm 147:19 He declares his word to Jacob, his statutes and rules to Israel.20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation; (gentiles mine) they do not know his rules.
Praise the LORD!


Who were the Sabbaths for? Who????

2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I am about to build a house for the name of the LORD my God and dedicate it to him for the burning of incense of sweet spices before him, and for the regular arrangement of the showbread, and for burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths and the new moons and the appointed feasts of the LORD our God, as ordained forever for Israel.


Passover of the Gentiles, or Jews?


John 2:13
The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

John 6:4
Now the Passover, the feast of the Jews, was at hand.

John 11:55
Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and many went up from the country to Jerusalem before the Passover to purify themselves


One had to be Jewish, circumcised to keep the feast.

Exodus 12:48
When a stranger sojourning with you wishes to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.

Not Gentiles! They were WITHOUT the law!

1 Cor 9:21 To those outside the law (gentiles mine) I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.


Rom 2:12 For all who have sinned without the law (gentiles mine)will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.


Not with the FATHERS....the old cov, lol!


Deuteronomy5:3
Not with our fathers did the Lord make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive today.


Gentiles walked in THEIR WAYS, not Jewish ways.


Acts 14:16
In past generations he allowed all the nations (Gentiles) to walk in their own ways.

Acts 17:30The times of ignorance (Gentiles) God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,


Peter said the ignorance word too, about gentiles, they were not under the law.1 Peter 1:14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance,


Look who got the law, the ISRAELITES!

Romans 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.
 
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A new high priest who mediates what? All you have done is relate how the covenant is mediated, but you haven't said anything about what the content of that covenant actually is.
 
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Lev 19:
33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

Ex 12:
48 “A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. 49 The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.”

It is not required that we be circumcised anymore.
Numbers 15:
13 “‘Everyone who is native-born must do these things in this way when they present a food offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord. 14 For the generations to come, whenever a foreigner or anyone else living among you presents a food offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord, they must do exactly as you do. 15 The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord: 16 The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the foreigner residing among you.’”

 
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Thank you for all those wonderful verses. It was mentioned earlier that the Old Covenant was available to heathens who had repented? I'm like wa? This could get absurd, quick.
 
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no, the priests converted, so there was a difference, or why convert? 'the faith" it says..

Acts 6:7 And the word of God continued to increase, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests became obedient to the faith.
 
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