Discussion Hebrew Roots; error or something else?

[ToBeLoved]

Lev 19:
33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

Ex 12:
48 “A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. 49 The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.”

It is not required that we be circumcised anymore.
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Numbers 15:
13 “‘Everyone who is native-born must do these things in this way when they present a food offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord. 14 For the generations to come, whenever a foreigner or anyone else living among you presents a food offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord, they must do exactly as you do. 15 The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord: 16 The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the foreigner residing among you.’”

So why didn't Joshua just 'share' Israel with all the other foreigners. Seems they fought for a long time to get rid of the foreigners and take back the land? Why not just share and intermingle. Marry foreigners and all that. Make love,, not war.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Lev 19:
33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

Ex 12:
48 “A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. 49 The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.”

It is not required that we be circumcised anymore.
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Numbers 15:
13 “‘Everyone who is native-born must do these things in this way when they present a food offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord. 14 For the generations to come, whenever a foreigner or anyone else living among you presents a food offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord, they must do exactly as you do. 15 The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord: 16 The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the foreigner residing among you.’”

God is merciful. Those verses are a lesson to the border patrol advocates. Yet those verses do not indicate that a Gentile who repented (of what exactly?) would thereby be constituted an Israelite.

 

[Frogster]

Lev 19:
33 “‘When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.

Ex 12:
48 “A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. 49 The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.”

It is not required that we be circumcised anymore.
​

Numbers 15:
13 “‘Everyone who is native-born must do these things in this way when they present a food offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord. 14 For the generations to come, whenever a foreigner or anyone else living among you presents a food offering as an aroma pleasing to the Lord, they must do exactly as you do. 15 The community is to have the same rules for you and for the foreigner residing among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the foreigner shall be the same before the Lord: 16 The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the foreigner residing among you.’”

but they could not keep the passover unless they became Jews, via circumcision.

One had to be Jewish, circumcised to keep the feast.

Exodus 12:48
When a stranger sojourning with you wishes to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.

 

[Frogster]

Jesus did NOT change directions. His plan was in play from the beginning of time. It never changed.

yes it did change, he announced the new cov during the time of the old cov, and look at this verse below.

heb 10:5 Consequently, when Christa]">[a] came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.

 

[Netzari777]

The holy scriptures are explicit the law of Moses is in fact annulled (Heb 7:18) but the promises to Abraham are not (Gal 3:14,15).

Reading the entire chapter helps. A single phrase taken out of context can mean anything you want.

Hebrews 7 speaks of the order of Melchisedec. His order had no beginning or end. Until the return of that priestly line, the Levites served as the high priests, in much the same way the blood of bulls and goats served as a sacrifice until the Messiah. If the Levites had been perfect, their replacement would not have been necessary.

We now have a new high priest from the tribe of Judah. The change of THAT Commandment was prophesied in Psalm 110:4. Our new high priest need not make sacrifice for Himself, because He walked the Torah perfectly. That is what is meant by fulfilling the Law. He fulfilled all its requirements.

 

[Frogster]

Well, this will be easy. Please post the verse that says the law was written on your heart at salvation.

And, if you want to address this (but please address the other question first)..... are you saved now? I mean, you still age, decay, get disease, die, are confronted with all manner of sin and distractions designed to pull you from God... are you saved NOW or does the Scripture say, "shall be saved?"

Abraham did not have the law, we are of the faith of Abraham, that is the gospel, imputation, see Romans 4 in several passages.

 

[Frogster]

That isn't a very kind thing to say. I have been a Christian with Jesus as my Lord for over 20 years, and if he is your Lord, that makes us family. We need to act like it! Strife between brethren is something God HATES! (see Prov. 6:16-19)

That said, I asked for a verse, one verse... just one.... can you provide a verse that says the Law is currently written in your heart NOW? Yes or no... and if yes, provide the VERSE.

I am confused, first, what laws, food laws?

and just for the record, read 2 cor 3, it was being written then,,


3 And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Reading the entire chapter helps. A single phrase taken out of context can mean anything you want.

Hebrews 7 speaks of the order of Melchisedec. His order had no beginning or end. Until the return of that priestly line, the Levites served as the high priests, in much the same way the blood of bulls and goats served as a sacrifice until the Messiah. If the Levites had been perfect, their replacement would not have been necessary.

We now have a new high priest from the tribe of Judah. The change of THAT Commandment was prophesied in Psalm 110:4. Our new high priest need not make sacrifice for Himself, because He walked the Torah perfectly. That is what is meant by fulfilling the Law. He fulfilled all its requirements.

Annulled, made void, it's really all the same thing. See, ya, point being it's gone, obsolete. If you are not requiring much to separate the Old Covenant from the New Covenant than mosaic law is a small, teenie principal.

 

[Frogster]

I have been... I have cited Jer. 31:31-34 (Heb. 8:8-11) about 4 times now TO YOU... and if you won't go and read what it says, I can't help that. But my words were not mine... I was just repeating the prophesy. God will write His law in our hearts AND WHEN HE DOES we will no longer need to teach because all will know the LORD.

Do all know the LORD? No... do we still need to teach or do you shut down Sunday School? Obviously we still need to teach which means the work is not done.

Paul was writing it THEN, as i posted in 2 Cor 3;3. he was a new cov minister,,THEN...

 

[Frogster]

I have been... I have cited Jer. 31:31-34 (Heb. 8:8-11) about 4 times now TO YOU... and if you won't go and read what it says, I can't help that. But my words were not mine... I was just repeating the prophesy. God will write His law in our hearts AND WHEN HE DOES we will no longer need to teach because all will know the LORD.

Do all know the LORD? No... do we still need to teach or do you shut down Sunday School? Obviously we still need to teach which means the work is not done.

there are several verses in hebrews that show Jesus is mediating the new cov now. Lemeeee know if you want proof.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

A new high priest who mediates what? All you have done is relate how the covenant is mediated, but you haven't said anything about what the content of that covenant actually is.

I don't know what you mean by "the covenant was mediated"?

Jesus the Great High Priest
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Deut 28 is full of many promised blessing to those who obeyed. Which ones do you believe God has dropped from His covenant in the new?

 

[Frogster]

Romans 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;

Is it this one?

no, Paul was om a diatribe there against the Jews, he was not meaning that literally, he is about to say no one is just by law in 3:20. it says no one is just by law 3 times in gal 2:16, and other places too. he is not going to contradict himself before the Romans reading the letter. It was part of a polemic.

 

[Netzari777]

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Not at all. Jesus, being God and being perfect could not go against what was right and just. So, this scenario you presented about 'where is the man that she was with'? has absolutely no bearing. It was not a story, but an actual event.

I don't see what you say you believe matching up with what you say in these threads. You cannot have perfect righteousness with error. That is impossible.

The absence of the man has considerable bearing. The woman's accusers did not bring him along. The Law says BOTH were to be stoned. Yeshua was merely pointing out their hypocrisy.

The Bible says to be perfect. Matthew 5:48, 2 Corinthians 13:11, 2 Timothy 3:17
The parents of John the Baptist walked the Torah blameless. Luke 1:6

One certainly cannot be perfect if they refuse to acknowledge that YHWH has given us instructions to follow and refuses to do so.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Deut 28 is full of many promised blessing to those who obeyed.

Isn't that the problem? That the Israelite's FAILED to obey the covenant? How many times did God pour out His wrath on the Israelite's. How many times were they made slaves and removed from their own lands? And God let that happen to them, because they disobeyed.

There were blessings available, but Israel never got many of those. The Old Covenant definately has nothing on the New Covenant. Israel is still in the middle of wars because they disobeyed God.

Israel does not make your case.

 

[Frogster]

I don't know what you mean by "the covenant was mediated"?

Jesus the Great High Priest
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

Deut 28 is full of many promised blessing to those who obeyed. Which ones do you believe God has dropped from His covenant in the new?

the new cov began, or there is no sin remission.

Heb 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

They came TO..TO..the new cov, way back then..

heb 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

 

[ToBeLoved]

The absence of the man has considerable bearing. The woman's accusers did not bring him along. The Law says BOTH were to be stoned. Yeshua was merely pointing out their hypocrisy.

The Bible says to be perfect. Matthew 5:48, 2 Corinthians 13:11, 2 Timothy 3:17
The parents of John the Baptist walked the Torah blameless. Luke 1:6

One certainly cannot be perfect if they refuse to acknowledge that YHWH has given us instructions to follow and refuses to do so.

No, your incorrect.

It had nothing to do with another accuser.

 

[Frogster]

I can't recall an incident myself but I am sure it's been said by somebody somewhere before.

agreed.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Hebrews 7:

23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.


26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

No, your incorrect.

It had nothing to do with another accuser.

Not another accuser....The law said both had to be stoned so where was the man she was committing adultry with?

 

[Netzari777]

There is law, the law of God expressed in his commandments: And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
(1 John 3:23-24 KJV)

The ONE Commandment to believe on the Name of his Son does not replace the remainder of the Commandments. If we keep them we dwell in him. The devil believes in the Name of Yeshua. Making Him Lord is an entirely different matter. A servant does what his Master says. Matthew 5:19

Revelation 22:14 Those that do his Commandments have the right to the tree of life.