Heaven!

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Daniels asks: "Do you believe heaven and kingdom of God [are the] same or different one?"

I believe they are probably different.

There is the Kingdom of God.
Part of that Kingdom of God is Heaven.
Or, if not, then ALL of that Kingdom is contained in Heaven.

I think that there (probably) are other places "beyond" this World than just Heaven and Hell.
Jesus talked about Abraham's Bosom (an Afterlife for Jews).
If that place exists, then that would be part of the Kingdom of God.
And, if the Catholics are correct, there is also Purgatory.
So, maybe the Kingdom of God has a lot of places (maybe not).

Could you explain that using scripture. I'm not familiar wih the places beyond heaven and hell your talking about.

Abraham's bosom was showing the gap between heaven and hell but not another place I don't think. Purgatory was paradice, wasn't it, and ended when Jesus went to release the captibes. What other places?
I think only heaven hell and earth are mentioned in the bible.

 

[Daniels]

John

14:2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would
have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and
receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.​

 

[Wordgazer]

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[Wordgazer]

So many of the newer topics posted on this forum are not following the above. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just thinking about asking the moderators to remove them to other, more appropriate sections.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

anytime soon?

 

[Ariel]

Heaven. What an awesome topic. Just thinking about it makes me joyful.

When Jesus was here on earth, He said, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand," Matthew 4:17. "At hand," one of my commentators says, means "has come" or "has arrived" or "is here." I believe that this idea relates to the Scripture where Jesus is talking about His imminent crucifixion, and He says, "Now is the judgment of this world, now the ruler of this world will be cast out," John 12:31 The "ruler of this world" is Satan, John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11.

Putting these verses together, when Jesus says that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, I believe that He is not so much referring to place but authority, not to geography but rulership. The King has come. He has nailed all the accusations and requirements against us to His cross, Col. 2:14. And now, wherever we go with the King in our hearts and His word on our lips, we cast out the ruler of this world. Now, from the moment Jesus died, is the time for us to take our place of authority that Adam lost, Gen. 1:28, but Jesus regained. We win.

So, the "kingdom of heaven" is authority, rulership. Not place, not the same thing as heaven.

 

[xxkingskidlmxx]

So many of the newer topics posted on this forum are not following the above. I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just thinking about asking the moderators to remove them to other, more appropriate sections.

at least they can't open threads on their first post

 

[Daniels]

Deeper fellowship means close walk with God , knowing the word of God thoroughly and glorifying Jesus, no bedate at all.
Word of God is Life.

 

[xxkingskidlmxx]

deeper fellowship means fellowship. not rattling off scripture straight out of a textbook or just from the bible and no topic attatched to it. how do you fellowship and learn from that it's not edifying fellowship, it's posting a million one liners wso those who spend time on threads are just wasting time when theres a million of them going up. what if everyone did that?

 

[Daniels]

Three relationships.

1. Loving Relation.

2. Living Relation.

3. Learning Relation.

 

[JPPT1974]

It means a closer relationship with God
Learning who He is and what He does
Accepting His one and only Son Jesus as
Our Savior & Lord and repenting and admitting
We are sinners and fall short of His glory!

 

[GoNoles]

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[Daniels]

Thank you so much.

 

[xxkingskidlmxx]

your so welcome

 

[InHisPeace]

Hawlak, looking at your posts in this thread, I can only say that you have answered the question for me.

Love and light,
~Steph