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2. did he go? or "will" he go? which question do you really mean to ask?
Did he go? Is the question.
However, if you want to say whether or not he will go, that's okay, because the questions in the OP, were to start off the discussion.
Thank you for continuing.
 
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How could you say I did not address your post, when I did.

#1
I asked you pointedly if Jesus is married to a literal city.
If you believe it's a literal city, then why are you beating around the bush, rather than giving a direct answer?
It's because you know, that to say yes, would be ridiculous, and to say no, would be to deny the scriptures which I particularly quoted.
Revelation 21:9, 10
That addressed your answer.

#2
Regarding the "city with foundations", that Abraham looked forward to, I referred to the scriptures, which showed clearly that city is the said New Jerusalem... with foundations.
Ephesians 2:19-22
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

1 Peter 2:5, 6
5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 Therefore it is contained in Scripture: "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone, a chosen precious cornerstone; and the one believing on Him, shall not be put to shame."

Even the text you quoted in Revelation 22, refers to the same city.
It's only because you see it as literal, that you are not seeing these texts, as they are to be understood.

To run with the idea that the city is literal, one would have to be ignoring the scriptures that shows it's figurative
Hence, why I asked if you think Christ is married to a building.

#3
Earlier, you said, To be married to Chist is to be one with him as He is with The Father. “That they may be one as we are one” (John 17:11).

You did not hesitate to offer that information.
However, now that it is clear that the Church is the same as the New Jerusalem, made up of the 144,000 Saints, which is the bride of Christ, you are having difficulty saying, yes this is the body of Saints - the same spiritual house that God was building as a place in which to dwell.

Just like the temple Solomon built, after the one that preceded it, but this one is spiritual - not the shadow, but the reality. The one in heaven. Hebrews 12:22

So, yes, I did address that as well.

#4
Your claim with no scriptural support was challenged, with a direct request to provide the scripture that says New Jerusalem is on earth - Which scripture in the Bible says New Jerusalem is on earth, or is that your assumption?
What was your response?

Not a single response to that question and others, nor any scripture... but one which refers to the Israelites return from captivity to Jerusalem, as if to say, this applies to Hebrews 12:22
So, you use the shadow, to apply to the reality.

Even if you make the claim it does, the scriptures refute that claim.
Isaiah 2:3
And many peoples will come and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us His ways so that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go forth from Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Really, MS, you aren't addressing any of my posts.
You're simply making assertions; failing to back them up; and hand waving away every scripture that refutes your beliefs.

Finally. Where in the Bible do we find "Christ is married to 144,000 virgin men".
I thought every person who read the Bible seriously, know that the Bible does not say 144,000 men, but rather 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads, and144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
Everyone who has seriously considered the Bible, know that these ones who are in heaven, are neither male nor female Galatians 3:29, and their virginity is spiritual 1 Corinthians 11:12.

This is how I know you are not serious. I have been trying to be patient, but I don't think I can keep asking you to answer simple questions, and have you ignore them and just keep bouncing around with unrelated responses.

So, there comes a time when one has to end a cycle that produces nothing.
I won't be responding to you unless I get an answer to those four questions.
 
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I have answered ad nauseam. I’m not sure how you have not read them.
 
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To run with the idea that the city is literal, one would have to be ignoring the scriptures that shows it's figurative
Hence, why I asked if you think Christ is married to a building.
First prove that these text refer to the New Jerusalem. You are assuming.
 
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I have answered ad nauseam. I’m not sure how you have not read them.
Since I address all your posts, it would be a lie to say that I have not seen them, which is not what I said, but rather that you are not coming out and directly answering the questions
I should not need to interpret an answer that does not answer one way or the other, but throws rhetoric.

First prove that these text refer to the New Jerusalem. You are assuming.
Why would you ask me to do that, after saying this?

Also, you probably forgot you said this...

Are you trying to kill time?
Now, I will be completely silent until you answer the questions.
 
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Already did so I guess we are done, thanks for the discussion. Perhaps I’ll catch you on on other topics. Take care.
 
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So, here is a update to where we are currently.

The Bible , in referring to the members of the body of Christ, says,...
  • For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, Philippians 3:20
  • For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 Corinthians 5:1
So, the place of residents for members of the body of Christ, is in heaven for eternity.

According to Hebrews 12:22, this is heavenly Mount Zion, and these ones are seen in vision, by John, as 144,000 who has [the Lamb's] name and His Father’s name written on their forehead. Revelation 14:1

These are the same 144,000 identified at Revelation 7:1-4, where after seeing these, John sees a distinct group - a vast multitude, which no one could number.
These are described as being shepherded... yes, the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.” Revelation 7:17

This group is the same as mentioned at Revelation 21:3, 4 - And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle [skéné: Tent, Tabernacle, Dwelling] of God is with men [anthrópos: Man, human, person, mankind], and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

This group of mankind, distinct from the heavenly group will experience a wiping of their tears away; no more sorrow, or crying; nor anymore death.
As Jesus said, when quoting David's words at Psalm 37:11, Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth. Matthew 5:5
Thus this group fulfills the Psalmist's words...
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. 29 The righteous will inherit the earth and dwell in it forever.

So, from the Biblical perspective, there are two eternal destinations for the righteous, and one eternal destination for the wicked.
Everlasting life in heaven, for those in the group of 144,000.
Everlasting life on earth, for the vast unnumbered multitude.
Everlasting death for those not found written in the book of life.

This contrasts with the common idea where everyone is rewarded with heavenly life, for faithfulness.
However, the Bible does not tell us that the will of God is to take everyone to heaven for obedience.
 
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