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Did he go? Is the question.2. did he go? or "will" he go? which question do you really mean to ask?
There are two parts to your question here. 1. Do I believe that the New Jerusalem is a physical city and 2. Do I believe all saved people will enter into to it. Let me start with number 1. I believe that the New Jerusalem is both a metaphor and a physical city. Why do I believe it is a physical city?
Because The New Jerusalem, is described vividly in the final chapters of the Bible, which has inspired countless interpretations over the centuries. While some view it as a symbolic representation of the Church or spiritual perfection, a close reading of Scripture suggests that the New Jerusalem is not merely a metaphor, but a literal, physical city. The biblical text presents detailed dimensions, material descriptions, and interactions that support the view of a real city descending from heaven to become the eternal dwelling place of God and His people.
Detailed Physical Description in Revelation
Revelation 21 provides an extraordinarily detailed account of the New Jerusalem’s appearance. John writes, “The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide… 12,000 stadia in length, and as wide and high as it is long” (Revelation 21:16). This amounts to approximately 1,400 to 1,500 miles in each direction, including its height—a measurement that defies symbolic interpretation due to its geometric specificity.
Further, the city is described as being constructed of tangible materials: “The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass” (Revelation 21:18). The foundations are adorned with twelve precious stones, and the twelve gates are each made from a single pearl (verses 19–21). Such extensive material details are unusual if the intent is purely symbolic. The precision of these descriptions suggests a real, physical place.
Jesus’ Promise of a Prepared Place
In John 14:2–3, Jesus comforts His disciples with a promise: “In my Father's house are many rooms… I go to prepare a place for you.” The Greek word used for “place” (topos) refers to a specific location. Jesus speaks of an actual dwelling prepared for believers, not a vague spiritual state or metaphorical concept. This aligns with the later vision of the New Jerusalem as the place where God and humanity will dwell together eternally.
The Faith of Abraham in a Literal City
The idea of a literal heavenly city is not confined to Revelation. Hebrews 11:10 tells us that Abraham “was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.” The writer of Hebrews reinforces this idea in verse 16: “Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.” This expectation of a tangible city—built by God Himself—is echoed in the vision of the New Jerusalem, suggesting continuity in God’s plan from the Old Testament through the New.
A City that Descends to Earth
Revelation 21:2–3 states: “I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God… And I heard a loud voice… saying, ‘Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people.’” The language of descent indicates spatial movement and implies that the city will be situated on a renewed Earth. If the city were purely symbolic, such a description would be unnecessary and misleading. Instead, the text portrays a physical relocation of the divine dwelling to Earth, culminating in an eternal union between God and redeemed humanity.
Nations and Kings Interact with the City
Revelation 21:24–26 describes the nations walking by the light of the city, and the kings of the Earth bringing their glory and honor into it. These verses suggest that there will be real political or cultural structures interacting with the city, pointing again to its literal existence. The presence of nations and kings implies a functioning society centered around a physical capital—the New Jerusalem.
How could you say I did not address your post, when I did.Conclusion
The biblical evidence supports the view that the New Jerusalem is not simply a symbol of spiritual ideals or the Church, but a real, physical city. The vivid descriptions in Revelation, the promises of Christ, and the faith of the patriarchs all point toward a literal fulfillment of God’s plan to dwell with His people in a tangible, eternal home. Far from being abstract, the New Jerusalem is portrayed as the climactic realization of God’s redemptive work—a city with foundations, built by God, descending to Earth to usher in the fullness of His kingdom.
Your postulation that the the great multitude will be excluded is not found anywhere in scripture.
That addressed your answer.9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Not a single response to that question and others, nor any scripture... but one which refers to the Israelites return from captivity to Jerusalem, as if to say, this applies to Hebrews 12:22More non-answers to support your non-answer. I’m sure you aware that ad hominem attacks are logical fallacies because they are designed to discredit a person rather than the the argument.
Not in response to the post you were responding to. You had no answer for that one.
No you did not. You did not address that post at all.
Yours are merely claims. You have not refuted a single argument I’ve made accept by simply stating that they are false. Big red x’s are not arguments.
It was a sophomoric question which I assumed was rhetorical. It’s like me asking you if Christ is married to 144,000 virgin men? So do you think Christ is marrying 144, 000 virgin men?
Answer to what? The text plainly say, God will dwell with men. You showed me no such text. There is no text that says “the Great multitude is not on Mt. Zion.
"Therefore the redeemed of the LORD shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head" (Isaiah 51:11)
I have answered ad nauseam. I’m not sure how you have not read them.#1
I asked you pointedly if Jesus is married to a literal city.
If you believe it's a literal city, then why are you beating around the bush, rather than giving a direct answer?
It's because you know, that to say yes, would be ridiculous, and to say no, would be to deny the scriptures which I particularly quoted.
Revelation 21:9, 10
First prove that these text refer to the New Jerusalem. You are assuming.To run with the idea that the city is literal, one would have to be ignoring the scriptures that shows it's figurative
Hence, why I asked if you think Christ is married to a building.
Since I address all your posts, it would be a lie to say that I have not seen them, which is not what I said, but rather that you are not coming out and directly answering the questionsI have answered ad nauseam. I’m not sure how you have not read them.
Why would you ask me to do that, after saying this?First prove that these text refer to the New Jerusalem. You are assuming.
Already did so I guess we are done, thanks for the discussion. Perhaps I’ll catch you on on other topics. Take care.Since I address all your posts, it would be a lie to say that I have not seen them, which is not what I said, but rather that you are not coming out and directly answering the questions
I should not need to interpret an answer that does not answer one way or the other, but throws rhetoric.
Why would you ask me to do that, after saying this?
Are you trying to kill time?
Now, I will be completely silent until you answer the questions.
Already did so I guess we are done, thanks for the discussion. Perhaps I’ll catch you on on other topics. Take care.
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