Heaven and Hell

[Mother Natures Son]

When these two concepts are brought up, most discuss them in the sense of being two separate places, which we do not know where.

They are very real, but not in the sense that is mostly talked about among theist and atheists. Heaven and hell are both collective states of being within your consciousness. It is the consciousness that has the potential to firmly create either one. When I say potential, I mean it.

They are not mystical places in some other dimension from here, they are both here and now.

There is another problem: eternity. One does not "enter" an eternal place, because that is a huge paradox in itself. We are already "in" eternity. We always have and always will. Eternity transcends the impermanent manifest universe.

 

[razeontherock]

Shouldn't this be in philosophy, rather than struggles by non-Christians? Doesn't seem like you're really struggling with this, nor do I see anything non-Christian about it, since it is the Orthodox Christian view.

 

[Mother Natures Son]

Shouldn't this be in philosophy, rather than struggles by non-Christians? Doesn't seem like you're really struggling with this, nor do I see anything non-Christian about it, since it is the Orthodox Christian view.

Sorry. I'm still getting used to this layout. This is the Orthodox view? Interesting. I don't like to attach labels or follow a certain set, but I like their take on the metaphors of it all.

 

[razeontherock]

CF is big, and can even be a bit intimidating at first. I was also surprised to learn what things the Orthodox (EO) maintain! Never even heard of 'em before CF

 

[Lukaris]

Actually as an Orthodox layperson I understand that an individual is saved by grace by faith for good works (Ephesians 2:8-10), an individual can by the grace of God can be saved (Romans 2:11-16) in this case they would probabaly reflect the Beatitudes regardless of their religion (see matthew 5:1-12), that the Lord will determine who has done good or evil (John 5:25-29) to the resurrection of salvation or damnation. check out the Bible verses on biblegateway: BibleGateway.com: Search for a Bible passage in over 35 languages and 50 versions.

 

[DennisTate]

When these two concepts are brought up, most discuss them in the sense of being two separate places, which we do not know where.

They are very real, but not in the sense that is mostly talked about among theist and atheists. Heaven and hell are both collective states of being within your consciousness. It is the consciousness that has the potential to firmly create either one. When I say potential, I mean it.

They are not mystical places in some other dimension from here, they are both here and now.

There is another problem: eternity. One does not "enter" an eternal place, because that is a huge paradox in itself. We are already "in" eternity. We always have and always will. Eternity transcends the impermanent manifest universe.

I certainly get the impression that you have done lots of research Mother Natures Son!

Do you mind if I ask how and where you found out all of this?

Personally I have been reading lots and lots of NDE accounts since 1990!