Do you think the universe (all that exists) will experience heat death? If so, why has it not happened already?
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Assuming that heat death is its eventual demise, that is estimated to be trillions of years into the future. So, at 13.7 billion years, the universe is scarcely out of its nappies.
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Yeah, this seems fairly certain.
We are DOOOOOOOOMED!
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Well, in a couple of billions of years, that is ;-)
Why hasn't it happend yet? Well, because it takes time, until all the usuable energy is used up. This doesn't happen from now to tomorow.
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Yes, but not the kind scientists have been prophesying.
In fact, it will occur with a "great noise;" not a "big bang," a term scientists have been using to signal the start of the universe.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
First, this dispensation has to end.
Then the next dispensation (1000 year reign of Christ), has to end.
Then it will occur.
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I'm not sure you answered either question. Do you think heat death will occur?
And, wouldn't saying we are only a small percentage into that journey mean the past of the universe (which I'm defining as all that exists) is finite?
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Given our current understanding of the universe, its forces and entropy, it seems inevitable. Although it will likely take trillions of years. It hasn't happened yet because not enough time has passed.
However, I have this thought that there are more as-yet-undiscovered forces that operate in the universe which are much weaker than gravity. Currently, in most physical models, there are 4 types of forces with gravity being the one that operates on the largest scales of both time and space. Why couldn't there be more?
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I do, yes.
The time since the Big Bang is finite. (Which does not necessarily imply that our universe is not causally connected to a preexisting multiverse.)
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Sure, but neither does it necessarily imply that we are causally connected to a preexisting multiverse. I was trying to phrase the question to avoid chasing turtles all the way down. If you think there is a preexisting multiverse, I would include that as part of the "universe" in my question.
So, if some cosmic system preceded this one, did it experience heat death? And then something happened to trigger this one? So, for the cosmic system that preceded this one, did yet some other cosmis system precede that one?
IOW, let's cut to the chase. Do you think there is a beginning to it all, or is it an infinite regress, or ...
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That's fine, and whoever wants to stop there can. But it seems to be something people think about, so I wondered if there would be some speculating. What answer seems to fit best?
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That's true of many things, but you have to start somewhere.
Could be. So is it that you don't like to speculate at all, speculate about this topic, or speculate in this forum?
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As I've stated elsewhere, I have my money on eternal inflation in a form that implies that the (multi)universe is past infinite, with no beginning. This is by no means a sure bet. But you asked what I think, and that's what I think.
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I appreciate the answer.
You're probably aware, then, of one of the challenges of an infinite past. It stems from Leibniz, I believe, doesn't it? The "Why here and not there?" question. IOW, if the past is infinite, how did we arrive where we are? We should still be trying to get here.
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I don't really see a problem. I'm not sure the number 3 worries about how she got there, when numbers started infinitely far to the left of her. Every number has to be someplace on the numberline. Everyone has to be somewhere in time. Why am I alive in the 21st century and not the 8th century? I don't see that the question means anything.
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I don't think it does. I know how I would answer the objection, but I was curious to hear how others would answer it.
The issue is this: Start counting - 0, 1, 2, 3, ...
When do you reach infinity? Never. So, if we call this moment in time zero, and start counting backward, when will we reach the infinite past? Never. If that's the case, then how would someone who started counting in that infinite past ever reach our current time?
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As I said, I don't see a problem either. The same issue applies to space. Why am I here and not there? Though troubling in Leibniz's day, affine geometry has addressed that question, and I think the same approach can be applied to infinite time ... especially given the connection modern physics draws between space and time.
[edit] With that said, I'm not aware of any hypothesis that would allow a past universe to escape its heat death in order to launch ours.
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