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[Cliff2]

Does anyone here know much about Vitamin B12 and the dangers of not having enough of it in our body.

Be interested if there is an expert on this subject here or one who is just passing and would like to give us their two bobs worth of wisdom.

 

[Cliff2]

For B12 info click here and here and here

 

[honorthesabbath]

Does anyone here know much about Vitamin B12 and the dangers of not having enough of it in our body.

Be interested if there is an expert on this subject here or one who is just passing and would like to give us their two bobs worth of wisdom.

Hi Cliff--I'll try to add my 2 BOBS--(hehe) to this. I semi-read the first site you have listed and from what I have learned over the years about the B's--is that that "intrinsic factor" is actually bowel flora (good bacteria) in the colon that produces the B12. Without a well colonized colon of good bacteria--then B12 cannot be made. This is why it is so important NOT to ingest those substances that kill our flora. Chlorine is the worst and most prevelent offender. It's an indiscriminant killer-it destroys the good with the bad bacteria. Booze and anti-biotics are also common enemies of the intestinal tract. So--feed the colon--and don't worry about B12!!

 

[Cliff2]

Hi Cliff--I'll try to add my 2 BOBS--(hehe) to this. I semi-read the first site you have listed and from what I have learned over the years about the B's--is that that "intrinsic factor" is actually bowel flora (good bacteria) in the colon that produces the B12. Without a well colonized colon of good bacteria--then B12 cannot be made. This is why it is so important NOT to ingest those substances that kill our flora. Chlorine is the worst and most prevelent offender. It's an indiscriminant killer-it destroys the good with the bad bacteria. Booze and anti-biotics are also common enemies of the intestinal tract. So--feed the colon--and don't worry about B12!!

Hi honorsabbath

Thanks for your thought here on the subject of B12.

I have never drank alcohol in any form and am not on anti-biotics but have a low reading of B12.

Will have to do some more study on it.

 

[happywiththelord]

This is for you Honor. Haha

 

[honorthesabbath]

This is for you Honor. Haha

LOL--you are SOOO funny Happy!!

 

[happywiththelord]

what??? that isnt the smilie i posted. man....what happened???

 

[Seraph1m]

Vitamin B12 (cobalamin) properties

Good for:

• making red blood cells
• the formation of the nerves.

Signs of vitamin B12 deficiency:

• tiredness due to anaemia
• abnormalities of nervous tissue function.

Good sources of vitamin B12:

• fish
• liver
• beef
• pork
• milk
• cheese.
  
  
  Vitamin B12 deficiency can arise in strict vegans because our dietary sources of vitamin B12 are animal in origin. The other main cause of vitamin B12 deficiency is pernicious anaemia.

Recommended daily amount: 1 microgram.

Poisoning: no danger as the vitamin dissolves in water, so excess is excreted in the urine.

Destroyed by: water, sunlight, alcohol, oestrogen and sleeping pills.

 

[honorthesabbath]

After the birth of my last baby--I was diagnosed with b12/folic acid deficiency. At the time I was a HEAVY meat and dairy user. There is much controvarsy concerning veganism and b12. All I can say is that I have a lot a vegan friends and no one seems to have a problem with getting enough of this vitamin. It seems the weight of evidence is on predisposition of the intrinsic factor leading to the manufacture of it in the bowels. Cliff, many times during seasons of intense stress, we can experience b complex deficiencies. So possibly you may want to take some whole food multi-vitamin and mineral suppliments until the crisis is over.

My other 2 bobs!!! rofl

PS Cliff--there is a very good product on the market called PRIMAL DEFENSE that is a vegan probiotic. You might want to do the 3 month program to rebuild the gut. This is VERY important when it comes to b12 production and utilization.

 

[happywiththelord]

i took primal defense, it worked very well.

 

[jabechler]

Hello, B12 is a very functional nutrient we all need but our body can store B12 if not readily needed for 6 months. It is not needed as a regular (daily) supplement in our diet. As a vegan the main source for B12 is nutritional yeast. Used on popcorn and in many reciepes. It is true our body can produce it natually, we must be on a non meat diet and get our colens cleasned and maintaned.

 

[Cliff2]

Hello, B12 is a very functional nutrient we all need but our body can store B12 if not readily needed for 6 months. It is not needed as a regular (daily) supplement in our diet. As a vegan the main source for B12 is nutritional yeast. Used on popcorn and in many reciepes. It is true our body can produce it natually, we must be on a non meat diet and get our colens cleasned and maintaned.

"nutritional yeast"

Can you tell us more about this please?

 

[jabechler]

"nutritional yeast"

Can you tell us more about this please?

Vegans especially but even vegitarians need to be aware of nutrition and health since most secular and even adventist doctors are not educated as to proper nitrtition and how the body works. But God knows and a naturall diet ( plant based ) is best. for info on B12 and Nutritional yeast see the following sites.
efn.org/~sundance/NutritionYeast
bulkfoods.com/yeast
vrg.org/nutrition/b12

yeast flakes as commonly called can be purchased at most health food stores, online or at places like Wildwood lifestyle centers and Uchey pines.

 

[Cliff2]

Vegans especially but even vegitarians need to be aware of nutrition and health since most secular and even adventist doctors are not educated as to proper nitrtition and how the body works. But God knows and a naturall diet ( plant based ) is best. for info on B12 and Nutritional yeast see the following sites.
efn.org/~sundance/NutritionYeast
bulkfoods.com/yeast
vrg.org/nutrition/b12

yeast flakes as commonly called can be purchased at most health food stores, online or at places like Wildwood lifestyle centers and Uchey pines.

According to the experts B12 is only in meat products. There are some very small amounts of B12 in some vegetables but one would have to eat something like 10 kgs per day to get the required amounts of B12 necessary for an average person needs each day.

That is from an Adventist expert in the B12 field. He has a PhD in this area. He says you cannot get it from plants.

 

[jabechler]

According to the experts B12 is only in meat products. There are some very small amounts of B12 in some vegetables but one would have to eat something like 10 kgs per day to get the required amounts of B12 necessary for an average person needs each day.

That is from an Adventist expert in the B12 field. He has a PhD in this area. He says you cannot get it from plants.

Many things in regard to health and nutrition has and will be debated till the Lord comes, but one must accept and choose the diet by faith. If we look no further then the history of cultures, that being a plant based diet of the east asian peoples, especially that of the Hiddus, for centuries they lived long vibrant lives without eating animals. When we look to modern medicine we need look no further than our own health centers like Wildwood,Blackhills or Uchey pines to see that Gods plan for proper health is curing many diseases modern medicine cannot cure. God gave us the Health message for a reason and I dont allow modern secular doctors( this includes adventist doctors who dont sccept the truths to dictate what I should eat. Sorry if this sounds harsh but truth is truth and the world is in confusion.

 

[Sophia7]

According to the experts B12 is only in meat products. There are some very small amounts of B12 in some vegetables but one would have to eat something like 10 kgs per day to get the required amounts of B12 necessary for an average person needs each day.

That is from an Adventist expert in the B12 field. He has a PhD in this area. He says you cannot get it from plants.

According to what I have read, I would agree with him. There is B12 in plants, but plants alone are not adequate sources, nor is the B12 that is naturally produced in the human gut. Most experts recommend the use of fortified foods and/or supplements. I found the following site especially helpful:
http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/b12/

It is interesting that different countries have different ideas about how much B12 a person needs. The United States' recommendation is lower than those of some other countries. I don't know what the recommendation is in Australia.

My husband and I both grew up eating meat, then became vegetarians, and finally we stopped using dairy products altogether, except for when we go to someone's house or potluck or something. I quit using milk when I was pregnant a few years ago because it made me sick. My son wouldn't even drink cow's milk when he was old enough, so we have always given our kids soy milk. I make my own soy milk now because it is cheap, but it is not fortified, so we do use supplements. We have never had our blood homocysteine levels tested, though, as apparently is recommended to detect a deficiency. We have never suffered any health problems due to veganism, however; in fact, we are healthier when we avoid animal products.

Another thing about B vitamins (including B12) is that my husband has been taking them to help with his high blood pressure. He was not even 30 yet when the doctor wanted to put him on blood-pressure medication, which he probably would have had to take forever. To avoid that, we got some advice from someone who knows a lot about alternative and homeopathic remedies, and he suggested B-vitamin supplements. It actually worked. I don't think the mainstream medical community would accept that or even expend the time and money to test it; as far as I know, there haven't been any studies done to determine whether there is a correlation between B vitamins and blood pressure. However, we figured it wouldn't hurt to try it before going on medication, which he didn't have to do after all. I don't have any way to find out, but I am wondering if this might relate to the fact that adequate B-vitamin (especially B12 and folate) intake results in lower homocysteine levels, in turn associated with a reduced risk of heart disease and stroke. Perhaps blood pressure is affected as well.

 

[Cliff2]

According to what I have read, I would agree with him. There is B12 in plants, but plants alone are not adequate sources, nor is the B12 that is naturally produced in the human gut. Most experts recommend the use of fortified foods and/or supplements. I found the following site especially helpful:
http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/b12/

It is interesting that different countries have different ideas about how much B12 a person needs. The United States' recommendation is lower than those of some other countries. I don't know what the recommendation is in Australia.

My husband and I both grew up eating meat, then became vegetarians, and finally we stopped using dairy products altogether, except for when we go to someone's house or potluck or something. I quit using milk when I was pregnant a few years ago because it made me sick. My son wouldn't even drink cow's milk when he was old enough, so we have always given our kids soy milk. I make my own soy milk now because it is cheap, but it is not fortified, so we do use supplements. We have never had our blood homocysteine levels tested, though, as apparently is recommended to detect a deficiency. We have never suffered any health problems due to veganism, however; in fact, we are healthier when we avoid animal products.

Another thing about B vitamins (including B12) is that my husband has been taking them to help with his high blood pressure. He was not even 30 yet when the doctor wanted to put him on blood-pressure medication, which he probably would have had to take forever. To avoid that, we got some advice from someone who knows a lot about alternative and homeopathic remedies, and he suggested B-vitamin supplements. It actually worked. I don't think the mainstream medical community would accept that or even expend the time and money to test it; as far as I know, there haven't been any studies done to determine whether there is a correlation between B vitamins and blood pressure. However, we figured it wouldn't hurt to try it before going on medication, which he didn't have to do after all. I don't have any way to find out, but I am wondering if this might relate to the fact that adequate B-vitamin (especially B12 and folate) intake results in lower homocysteine levels, in turn associated with a reduced risk of heart disease and stroke. Perhaps blood pressure is affected as well.

I agrre with what you are saying and so does this Adventist expert in the fdield of B12. He says the same thing as you.

He also that says that plants cannot give us the required amount of B12 that we need.

He says all vegans should be taking a suppliment to keep their B12 levels high enough.

They have done tests on many vegans and found that at least 30% were low, some dangerously low. All people over the age of 65 should be taking suppliments as again the tests indicate that about 30% were low.

He does not in any way promote the eating of meat but he sees every day people who thought they were OK and they not.

I thought I was OK but found I was low in B12 and after taking suppliments for 3 months came up to what is regarded as being normal.