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Why don't you take some quiet time alone with Him and ask Him to show you what you should do?

Persist in prayer - get people praying over you regularly, stay in His word, read the Bible regularly and find a good, Christian counsellor. It may take a few goes to find the right counsellor for you but once you do, it's worth the effort. Word of mouth may be a good place to start.

Have you let your pastor know what you are working through? I'm sure they would want to be supportive.

Get people around you - make sure you have other men around you.

Also, have you had medical tests to rule out an organic cause for your depression? Cover all your bases :) Do not adjust your medication without consulting your doctor under any circumstances.

But yes, God can heal you so that you don't need your medication although there is nothing wrong with using that as a tool to assist while you do need it.
 
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The quiet time for me is in the evenings and I feel tired then, I have my Bible by me and have been reading before I go to sleep. I have placed scripture quotes around my house and I read my Bible in the morn whilst my children chatter to me!

My Pastor knows what I am going through and my thoughts- he has given me some verses to read and take strength in. I have been to church and prayed for and held by strong men...I felt God there... but it is harder when I am home.

I am not on any medication, but am seeing my Dr tomorrow to rule out stuff. I want to do this with God and for Him, but not with medication.

Life just feels too hard there are too many stresses to carry :sigh: The last time I felt this bad.. I returned back to church! Now I feel tested again....
 
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Depression can either be caused by physical, emotional, or spiritual.

Now physically and emotionally, depression is controlled by drugs.

Well, it's okay to take drugs if they help, but taking drugs because the medicos have no answer to why you need to be physically and emotionally dependent on drugs.

Now spiritually, then I have heard testimonies of such who for years were taking drugs for all sorts of things and when they began Christian counselling through a good GOD-anointed counselling ministry, they found that there was much spiritual garbage in their life and much unforgiveness.

Have you read any books written by Neil Anderson, Derek Prince, Francis MacNutt, or Kurt Koch?
 
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The quiet time for me is in the evenings and I feel tired then, I have my Bible by me and have been reading before I go to sleep.
We can have all the head knowledge in the world and all that will do is keep Satan at bay when he decides to hit from all directions with temptation and trials.

But, if you have already fell to temptation and sin and haven't confessed or repented then the consequences of sin is sickness and infirmities.
I have placed scripture quotes around my house and I read my Bible in the morn whilst my children chatter to me!
Our Lord Jesus Christ came to heal the broken-hearted, deliver them from evil, set the captives free, heal their sicknesses, and cast out demons.

Spiritual things, such as "earthly and heavenly things" have much bearing on most of our Christian lives and health.

My Pastor knows what I am going through and my thoughts- he has given me some verses to read and take strength in.
So, your pastor hasn't offered you Christian counselling? Verses doesn't fill an empty, swept, and put in order house, but if you get them into your heart with a full understanding and knowledge of how our Lord Jesus CHrist is and who we are in HIM, then there will be different results.

I can assure you that those Christians who are closer to our Lord Jesus Christ suffer worse than before as they get closer to him.

A Christian life is a "race of endurance" and it's "a narrow path".
I have been to church and prayed for and held by strong men...I felt God there... but it is harder when I am home.
We all fight a good fight of faith, and when we submit to our Lord Jesus Christ the enemy and his forces will flee.

I am not on any medication, but am seeing my Dr tomorrow to rule out stuff. I want to do this with God and for Him, but not with medication.
Is your doctor a Christian?

Sad as it is, Christians are aware of the spiritual sides of things but the medical profession are not.

Always remember that you are a body, soul, and spirit.

And in your soul is your mind, heart, emotions and will, and if anyone of those are contaminated by the powers of darkness through unconfessed and unrepented sin, then the consequences of sin have many manifestations that mimic physical problems.

Depression is mostly caused by emotional problems that can be caused by making bad choices and decisions.

Life just feels too hard there are too many stresses to carry :sigh: The last time I felt this bad.. I returned back to church! Now I feel tested again....
Have you ever thought that maybe the Holy Spirit is testing you, or maybe the enemy and his forces are testing you as well.

Rember we are spiritual, and we live in His Kingdom, and not in the worldly kingdom of the powers of darkness.

Be blessed, in Jesus' Name.
 
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Thank you so much, whilst just looking at the authors you mentioned I found a book that I feel will suit me:

Your Scars Are Beautiful to God: Finding Peace And Purpose in the Hurts of Your Past

I also have on order:
Just Enough Light For The Step I'm On
Finding Peace for Your Heart: A Woman's Guide to Emotional Happiness


And I start a Freedom In Christ course at my church this week.

This feels like the battle of all battles!
 
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I think it depends on why you feel depressed. Are you habitually depressed where a doctor can prescribe med or it is situational depression, like it's temporary? I have periods of depression because I am going thru peri menopause and my hormones are making themselves known. LOL It's not funny however. When I feel down, I try to see what I can do to alleviate my feelings.

I do believe if we cling to God, He can help us with it, but a doctor can tell you if you need that something Xtra. Someone told me this very well: meds can HELP our believing. Not instead of believing God, but will help give you the confidence. And it works in reverse, believing will help you if you are on meds.

I will pray for you, only you know your mind and body as well as God and a doctor. :wave:
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Thank you so much, whilst just looking at the authors you mentioned I found a book that I feel will suit me:

Your Scars Are Beautiful to God: Finding Peace And Purpose in the Hurts of Your Past

I also have on order:
Just Enough Light For The Step I'm On
Finding Peace for Your Heart: A Woman's Guide to Emotional Happiness


And I start a Freedom In Christ course at my church this week.

This feels like the battle of all battles!
Two of the early books written by Neil Anderson, Bondage Breakers and Victory over Darkness where informative on many things that affect a Christians life through demonic influence.

Sad as it is, taking medication isn't an answer to spiritual problems and influences.

You say that you are going to attend a "Freedom in Christ" course at your church, is that a Neil Anderson's orientated course?

I can say that any of these course are only a start, because there will be much more to cover as time goes by, it opens much insight into the lies of the enemy and all the seduction and deception that is going on within the Body of Christ.

Our Lord keeps working with us, as we expose all those lies and our hurts that are buried deep down in our heart as we peel away each layer by layer like layers on an onion, revealing those things that we had buried and hidden from sight.

So take heed of the guiding and leading of the Holy Spirit, because he is the best medicine that you can have.

Always remember that HIS love endures forever.

Take care, and love in Christ.
 
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http://www.scripturesongs.net/
http://www.dougtanner.com/music.html

Download all that music... everytime you feel depression coming do either one of 2 things, listen to it or read your bible.

And yes God will absolutely set you free from depression. You can either put your faith in Man and the medical profession which will just probably make you more messed up than you were to start with. OR you can put your faith in God :)
 
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Thanks for all the kind replies... I am trying to get my health sorted out. Parts of me seem to not be working, so sorting that out.

I am getting a lot of spiritual support from my Pastor, he is in regular contact with me and I can see him when I need to. He is being a rock for me right now (even though I don't like to lean on people or expect things from them by nature).

I just feel tested. But the fellowship at my church is so amazing, I started a new house group tonight ready to start the Freedom in Christ course (I think it is from Anderson) all moving in the right direction.

I can listen to the music but I can't download it (am on a Mac?) but they are beautiful so thank you for that.
 
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Andrew Murray is also a good author to read. Abide in Me, and Humility are both very good. You may think a book on humility is not what you need for depression, but I think you would be surprised how uplifting that book is.

As for the drugs, I can tell you from experience I did not want to be on medication for depression and anxiety. But when there are real physiological reasons for depression, medication is called for just the same as if you were a diabetic. The thing is don't make medication the only thing you do.

If evenings don't make for a good quiet time, try getting up early before the other in the house do. And be sure to read your Bible in addition to these other authors. And this last thing is very important! Find something or someone OUTSIDE your house to get involved with. If it is sending cards, or making phone calls to check on people, or whatever - find someone who could use your help. I have found that focusing on my own problems makes them grow. :eek:
 
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Can God heal my depression without me taking medication?

Actually I know God can heal, what I am trying to say is how can I allow God to help me? How will I know what to do?
If you are on medication keep taking it. Pray to God for the strength to continue serving him despite the frailities you have.
 
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Thanks for all the kind replies... I am trying to get my health sorted out. Parts of me seem to not be working, so sorting that out.

I am getting a lot of spiritual support from my Pastor, he is in regular contact with me and I can see him when I need to. He is being a rock for me right now (even though I don't like to lean on people or expect things from them by nature).

I just feel tested. But the fellowship at my church is so amazing, I started a new house group tonight ready to start the Freedom in Christ course (I think it is from Anderson) all moving in the right direction.

I can listen to the music but I can't download it (am on a Mac?) but they are beautiful so thank you for that.
Keep your ears open and your eyes open, and most of all be aware, beware, and don't be unaware.
 
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Depression is an epidemic. Many people are helped with medications, more are helped and to a greater extent helped with a combination of meds and counseling. Being depressed leads to many unuseful patterns of thought and behavior that lead to more stress and depression. So it's a multifaceted problem.

There are also real physical reasons for depression. Not everyone is depressed for the same reason. Many people just think it is situational and caused by their situation in life or events. Depression can be from those, but that type will usually pass.

There are many who are depressed due to nutritional deficiencies.

Vitamin D deficiency is one of the most common. Do you drink a fair amount of milk? Are you outside almost every day? You need to either eat vitamin D or make vitamin D from exposure to sunlight or you will have all sorts of health problems. Thats one common problem. Especially among women who have a tendency to spend their time inside, and many of whom do not drink milk.

Another cause of depression that is focused on women is omega 3 fatty acid depletion of deficiency. They deplete themselves through pregnancy and breast feeding their children. Plus their diet again tends to be very low in omega 3's especially since many are extremely adverse to eating any fats or oils.

Thyroid problems too are more common among women, and can produce depression. A simple blood test can detect most cases, though careful case history will sometimes indicate a deficiency even among people within the edges of what is considered normal.

Lack of physical activity also contributes. It tends to be a spiral, the person is not active due to depression the person is depressed due to inactivity.

And one big one that is getting more publicity all the time is sleep. If you do not get good sleep, you almost certainly will suffer from a group of effects that will result in your being diagnosed as depressed.

These are just some causes, and all are relatively common, there are more. So first things first is that you should undergo a physical examination. And these things should be investigated. Correct these problems and you literally will cure the depression.

Now for those for whom no straightforward physical cause is found, there is often not a cure, but rather a management of the disorder that the future holds. Many people do very well. Others give up. That's easy to do when depressed. It is difficult to say don't give up hope when that's exactly what has often happened to the depressed person, their life is one without hope. Even when it should be.

So even if you don't feel hope, at least understand intellectually there is indeed hope. Get a good intensive physical from a doctor willing to spend some time with you, a 15 minute clinic visit is really inadequate to diagnose and treat depression.

Get involved in a support group. You will rapidly find which doctors are good ones for your problem.

Don't be ashamed or secretive or such about it. A lot of it's damage and power comes from the shove it under the table and ignore mentality, or the beliefs of some that it is somehow a moral failing. If you run into those people I would suggest not feeling shame in yourself, but rather feel pity for them and the dungeons they create with their minds and their illness.

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I am not on any medication, I have been offered it but declined and the Dr accepted that.

Physically- probably low vit D, I only get out of the house once or twice a week if that (at least once when I go to church). I don't have any dairy or omega's and I know my thyroid is not working well (low basal temp)I don't sleep well (too much on my mind) I also suffer from persistent nausea I have had for 6 months now. But my Dr is helping to sort this out so no doubt it will all help.

A few days ago I felt like I had no hope, but I have been praying and listening and read His Word and now I feel a glimmer of hope...
 
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I am not on any medication, I have been offered it but declined and the Dr accepted that.

Physically- probably low vit D, I only get out of the house once or twice a week if that (at least once when I go to church). I don't have any dairy or omega's and I know my thyroid is not working well (low basal temp)I don't sleep well (too much on my mind) I also suffer from persistent nausea I have had for 6 months now. But my Dr is helping to sort this out so no doubt it will all help.

A few days ago I felt like I had no hope, but I have been praying and listening and read His Word and now I feel a glimmer of hope...
Had coming on this Forum helped in any way, given you new direction and purpose knowing you are not alone in fighting with your condition?
 
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Had coming on this Forum helped in any way, given you new direction and purpose knowing you are not alone in fighting with your condition?
Absolutely!! Here I have found blessings and understanding and guidance on what to do and where to go, I have found a place where I can get information when I am unsure how to deal with things like sin. I am truly grateful to you all xxxx
 
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*raises hand* Hi! I know what you're going through because I BEEN der. Here's what I was up against: I was 17 (emotions going wild ANYWAY), already an outcast (didn't want to be even MORE of an outcast for taking meds), from a poor family (couldn't afford meds), and had SERIOUS emotional problems. When my counselor ran the psych tests on me, he said it was one of the highest positives for depression he had ever seen in 20 years of being a therapist. Whoa! Right?

My mentality was this: If I'm depressed, something is wrong. Either with me or with my surroundings. If I had something wrong with my car, I would fix it. So I'm gonna fix what's wrong with me. You're already headed that way, so BRAVO! BUT, this isn't entirely what your OP was about. You asked about how to allow yourself to let God help you. This is a hard question with a hard answer, but I will do my best to explain it.

The basic answer is that you FIGHT. Not God. Not everyone around you. Not even the Devil (even though he certainly has a hand in it). You fight against the physical habits, the mental habits, and the mindsets that drag you back down into the depths. THIS IS NOT EASY! At first, you'll lose...a lot. But then you start to win a few battles and you gain confidence until, eventually, you're all better and you can maintain your emotional health.

How do you fight? You do the opposite. I know that is going to rub every thought you have the absolute wrong way, but it WORKS. Listen to HAPPY music. Think about POSITIVE things. Look for, strive for, fight to see the GOOD side of things. Fight against the mentality of "Well this is great, BUT" or "I wanted to get _____ but _____ ALWAYS happens to keep my from what I want". Destroy those things! Gradually, you'll start to come out of the funk and the fog and you'll see the light again.

Now, as far as the meds go, I viewed them as The Great Equalizer. I had been depressed for SO long that I didn't know what it was like to be happy anymore. (Keep in mind that different meds affect people differently. They react with brain chemistry, which is a HIGHLY individualized biological component) I started on Zoloft and it wracked me like you wouldn't believe. I couldn't sleep, I woke up every morning exhausted...and I was still depressed. So, after dragging myself out of bed one morning (literally...I rolled out of bed onto the floor, I was so exhausted), I told my dad, "You have got to talk to the doctor about these meds, because if this is what being 'normal' feels like, then I'll just be depressed." I wanted to throw in the towel and that was in the first two weeks. So we changed to Paxil. Paxil worked. It put my emotions on such an even keel that it was scary for me. I was so used to having RAGING anger and RAGING depression and RAGING bitterness that when they were removed...I didn't know what to feel or even HOW to feel it. I had to learn what it meant to laugh FREELY again, I had to learn what it was like to "smile from the heart". I also had to learn to deal with my anger and my disappointment and my bitterness. I had to learn to forgive and let go and, as my uncle so aptly put it, "just be a man about it and move on!" It took some time, but I finally got it down.

The meds weren't a cure-all. But they made the negativity shut up long enough to enable me to get my emotional bearings again and see what a wonderful world we really live in.

That's all I've got for now. A book that helped me tremendously was The Road Less Traveled by Scott Peck. It was written nearly forty years ago, but it was the definitive eye-opener for me. If you need anything, feel free to PM me.

Good luck and don't give up!

Jeremiah
 
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Absolutely!! Here I have found blessings and understanding and guidance on what to do and where to go, I have found a place where I can get information when I am unsure how to deal with things like sin. I am truly grateful to you all xxxx
I'm always unsure how to deal with sin. I keep making an idiot of myself, so commiting sin and error, pick myself up, dust myself down, and start all over again. If it wasn't for having a faith or belief where would I be, or indeed where would any of us be?

Dealing with issues from our past is never easy. I keep remembering when I nearly drowned. That was some 38 years ago, but I remember it as if it were yesterday. But Crunchy that seems a walk in the park compared to what you say you've been through.

Someone else on another Forum had a similar experience to yours. They were a victim of abuse. But they were also a survivor, holding their head up high and effectively saying, "I will not be beaten." If your faith in God, His will and His plan, are really deeply rooted everything else you face, you face knowing that He will look out for you. You are not on your own. Do you remember when in the garden of Gethsemene, Jesus was praying and an angel appeared and strengthened him? When Jesus was at a low point his Father saw to it he was helped. And the same can be true of us all. "Sometimes I'm up, sometimes I'm down, and sometimes I'm almost touching the ground." Who raises us up? Who cares for you? Who can you contact without ever having to make an appointment first? Your Heavenly Father. And mine.
 
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