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Why, because it might not support your POVTreeOfLife said:There is absolutely no question that it was a messenger "of satan", the scripture is positively clear about that. So knowing the finer points of what the word "thorn" means is absolutely superfluous.
The point that ToL said was clear is that whatever it was, it was from Satan. Surely you don't dispute this?wizeone said:Why, because it might not support your POV
No it isnt clear after reading the greek
the way you put 2+2 together and get five is just unique
And then we get into semanticsprobinson said:The point that ToL said was clear is that whatever it was, it was from Satan. Surely you don't dispute this?
Further, WE are told in scripture that WE are to resist the devil and he will flee from us.
The way you ignore the blatantly obvious is just unique.
How on earth is this construed as "semantics"? Do you even know what semantics is, 'cause this ain't it.wizeone said:And then we get into semantics
wizeone said:Why, because it might not support your POV
No it isnt clear after reading the greek
the way you put 2+2 together and get five is just unique.
So its ok for you to give insults but you cant hack it when someone bites back?TreeOfLife said:2 Cor 12:7
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.
NKJV
OK, maybe I can't add as well as I should be able to, but I guarantee you I can read.
And you can keep your insults to yourself. I don't need that and I certainly don't have to put up with it.
wizeone said:So its ok for you to give insults but you cant hack it when someone bites back?why does that not surprise me
a thorn in the flesh could refer to a physical ailment if you take the time to read the greek, and no arguement that it was from satan however there is no confirmation that his thorn wasnt an illness
I never admited anything, that said I never said where Pauls thorn came from I was arguing the point for those of you who say that pauls thorn wasnt a physical ailmentTreeOfLife said:And just as I stated clearly before, who cares what the thorn was? Where it came from is the most important part of that text.
I am glad to see that you finally admit that you were wrong about where it came from though. Perhaps there is hope of civil discussion yet!
wizeone said:I never admited anything, that said I never said where Pauls thorn came from I was arguing the point for those of you who say that pauls thorn wasnt a physical ailment
I sugest you read my posts properly, because I dont enjoy chatting with people who base their replies on what they thought I said
Respect my right to have a differing opinion, as I will endeavour to do for you, and well will get on fine.
beg all you likeTreeOfLife said:I beg to differ. You clearly stated that it was not clear where the thorn came from. Then you stated that it was clear it was from satan.
If you are not going to at least be honest, I personally don't care whether we "get on fine" or not. I may not care either way.
beg all you likeTreeOfLife said:I beg to differ. You clearly stated that it was not clear where the thorn came from. Then you stated that it was clear it was from satan.
If you are not going to at least be honest, I personally don't care whether we "get on fine" or not. I may not care either way.
wizeone said:beg all you like
I was arguing what Pauls thorn was perhaps I misread pete in post number 35. However I read him as saying that the thorn was a messenger of satan, (as in eveil spirit, not physical ailment) and Pete if I misread or misintepreted that, my apologies to you. However as I seem to recall some in this forum arguing more than once, "that paul as oppressed by an evil spirit, not a physical ailment" I was pointing out that if one actually takes time to read the original language it is not by any means clear what pauls thorn was
Never once did I say it wasnt from satan, and if arguing semantics and based on what you though you read makes you feel good about yourself and that you're wining the arguement, go right ahead.......
I on the other hand have more productive ways of spending my time, so will say to you adieu
probinson said:Whatever Paul's thorn was, it was FROM SATAN
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Whatever Paul's thorn was, it was FROM SATAN
JimfromOhio said:Actually.. the bible didn't say the source.... so its just THEORY. In 2 Corinthians 12, verse 10, Paul lists types of thorns and they are in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties.
TreeOfLife said:2 Cor 12:7
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.
NKJV
Really?
JimfromOhio said:Did Paul knew it was from Satan as Job knew whether God punished Job or Satan inflicted him?
Who really knows what is God doing?
TreeOfLife said:You are then willing to question the bible in order to sustain your own personal idea?
Are you really?
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