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we can change eye colour.
it's just that most people don't know how.
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That doesn't make sense.If that were the case then why can't we change the colour of our eyes or skin? And why can't Down's kids have gene therapy so that their Down's is cured?
More precisely, it's gene expressionIf you'll read my previous posts, I acknowledge that there is more to a human than simply a molecular machine, and that mental/spiritual states DO have an affect on health. This is something readily recognized in the medical profession.
However, that doesn't change the fact that immune responses don't do much to our DNA, and when they do, the body also has mechanisms to fix the DNA.
When these mechanisms fail, it's called "cancer."
I'm truly sorry to hear thatYes, I suffer from a chronic illness because I wasn't able to forgive someone in the fourth grade, and I go through daily pain and exhaustion and will eventually end up in a wheelchair because I have been unable to do so.
Can you even imagine how insulting this is? Can you possibly imagine what this means?
Why is prejudice against the diseased so accepted in America?
no, cancer is a defect of cell out-of-control growth
insulted by truth.
how sad.
Maybe it's not my place to say, but this sounds quite condescending to me. Almost as though you see healing by conventional medicine as "second rate", but are prepared to tolerate it; but believe that the only real way to heal is by following your methods/reading some of the books that you promote, and doctors won't be really efficient healers unless they practice these things too.
Far be it for me to put words in your mouth, but that's what I felt when I read it, and I think if I were a med student too, I'd find it quite insulting.
I believe that most, if not all, healing comes from God. (I say most, because some people believe that the devil is also able to heal, and does so to make people believe in him - but that's a seperate debate.) I believe that God can intervene and miraculously remove an illness after prayer and the laying on of hands. I believe that during these times he can reveal to a person that a particular sin or attitude is unhealthy, making them ill and they need to repent of it. It may be the case that a physical illness is healed after this, and the sufferer and healer both conclude that it was the confession of sin that released the healing. This could be the case, but I don't think it is right to conclude that it always is.
But God also - I would say usually - heals through doctors and conventional medicine. I've come across Christians who seem to believe that somehow going to a doctor is second best and not really what God wants, but if you domn't have the faith to believe that God can heal, then it's ok. Nonsense. God gives doctors, surgeons, physiotherapists, nurses and so on the skill, wisdom and compassion to do what they do. Some Christians choose to train as doctors, some doctors become Christians. I don't think there is any conflict of interest at all. Miraculous healing is not more important, or more spiritual, than healing through medicine.
As for alternative medicine, even some of that is good and may be from God and used by him. Personally I am more wary of it, and there are people who've said that God has told them not to have anything to do with it. That's also another debate.
But the point I've been trying to make throuhout this thread, is that I disagree with the view that "95% of chronic illness is caused by an inability to forgive." I think that's far too simplistic and have seen no evidence - from science or the Bible - that backs up such a claim.
Hm, so I suppose you want to get into theology then. Yes, of course I accept that all healing and life ultimately comes from God. I also believe that God usually (note: not always - I DO accept the reality of miraculous healing) works through material means (and if you want me to defend this statement Scripturally, I will do so). In most cases, this is medical science.
actually, they can cause.Yes, we know that stress, anxiety, etc contribute to chronic ailments. (Note: I said "contribute", not "cause".)
A lot of these things are called "triggers" - somebody may be genetically predisposed to diabetes, say, but never develop it until something stressful triggers it.
Doctors cannot heal anything!
Doctors may immobilize a broken bone, but it is from ourselves that the bone heals.
A gift of design by our Lord.
A doctor may cut-out something, poison (anti-biotic) or similar, but then we must be left with the inherent healing processes given to us by God.
Emotions of various kinds often block that healing.
Primarily among these are guilt (unforgiveness of self), and many other negative emotions.
addressing such sub-conscious negative emotions are a key to healing. Even such as Cancer, diabetes, etc.
Doctors are healers - they are in the healing profession just as much as you may be. They use their knowledge and skilled medical training to diagnose an illness/condition and decide on the best drug, or course of treatment to cure it.
the operative word being diagnose, not healYes, and he has used the skill of the doctors to diagnose the broken bone in the first place.
poison, as i said.My understanding is that a doctor prescribes an antibiotic which kills the infection.
yes, but why?Sometimes the body's "inherent healing process" doesn't work or goes wrong.
yes, but why?There are auto-immune conditions, which means that the body's immune system begins attacking itself.
yes, but why?...I have read accounts of cancer sufferers who have been wonderfully positive, forgiving people who have prayed for healing and believed that God would give it. Their bodies have sometimes still succumbed to the cancer,
but how much better to heal?but they have also left a marvellous testimony to the power of God who gives them the strength to cope with illness. I'm thinking particularly of David Watson, who had prayer from hundreds of people and reached many hundreds of others with the preaching and interviews he gave, and the book he wrote during his illness. His body finally died, as everyone's will one day, however positive their emotions. But he is 100% whole now, in heaven.
becoming a christian is about salvation of sin, not healing of diseaseYes, being healed, forgiven and set free from these things are essential if we are to have wholeness and a healthy relationship with God, ourselves and others. But there is no guarantee that a cancer sufferer who becomes a Christian, who is forgiven, set free, and filled with the Holy Spirit will be physically delivered from their illness too.
There is no proof that a diabetics' condition is only because of the state of his soul/emotions.
I thought that it was God who heals.They don't cure us. our own mind/body does that.
but how much better to heal?
contextually, we haveI notice a lack of Scriptural support for this idea, which sounds quite un-Christian. On the other hand, we have plenty of Scripture like:
1As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. 2And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" 3Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. - John 9:1-3
thorn=chronic disease?7So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 2 Corinthians 12:7-9
yes, by designI thought that it was God who heals.
yup.How much better??? I say that a Christian evangelist is with the Lord, in heaven, 100% whole, 24/7, and you say how much better would it have been for his body to be temporally healed so that he could remain on earth for a few years longer?
There is more to life than physical healing. The Lord could have healed David easily, at any point when he was being prayed for and anointed by other Christians. He didn't, for a reason. The fact that David died of cancer was not a failure nd it was not due to anything he had, or hadn't, done - eg confessed his sins.
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neither are being discussed.
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7So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. 8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. 9But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 2 Corinthians 12:7-9
There is more to life than physical healing. The Lord could have healed David easily, at any point when he was being prayed for and anointed by other Christians. He didn't, for a reason. The fact that David died of cancer was not a failure and it was not due to anything he had, or hadn't, done - eg confessed his sins.
isa 53.5 and by his wounds we are healed.
I thought that it was God who heals.
yup.
i think healing better glorifies the lord.
the lord did heal him
isa 53.5 and by his wounds we are healed.
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