Head wound - destruction of gog?

[HisdaughterJen]

Habakkuk 3:11The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.
12Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.
13Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah. 14Thou didst strike through with his staves the head of his villages: they came out as a whirlwind to scatter me: their rejoicing was as to devour the poor secretly.


Joel 2


1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
.... 10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:


Rev 12:13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.



The great tribulation that we've been in since the desolation of Israel will be cut short for the sake of the elect (the remnant of Israel) because of a massive Northern army (gog) invasion of Israel. God gathers his people (remnant of Israel on earth/church to heaven) and destroys gog.

If gog is the head wound that is subsequently healed, and the nations that invade Israel are Islamic which they appear to be...maybe the beast is indeed Islamic, as many speculate. There is a split between the Sunnis and Shiites - maybe one sect is taken out and the other takes over....


Psalm 83

A song. A psalm of Asaph.

1 O God, do not keep silent;
be not quiet, O God, be not still.

2 See how your enemies are astir,
how your foes rear their heads.
3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.
4 "Come," they say, "let us destroy them as a nation,
that the name of Israel be remembered no more."
5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you-
6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Gebal, Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre. 8 Even Assyria has joined them
to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.
Selah


Ezek 38:

3And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
4And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 6Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
...

10Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, 12To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

 

[NJBeliever]

Habakkuk 3:11The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.
12Thou didst march through the land in indignation, thou didst thresh the heathen in anger.
13Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah. 14Thou didst strike through with his staves the head of his villages: they came out as a whirlwind to scatter me: their rejoicing was as to devour the poor secretly.


Joel 2


1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
.... 10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:


Rev 12:13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.



The great tribulation that we've been in since the desolation of Israel will be cut short for the sake of the elect (the remnant of Israel) because of a massive Northern army (gog) invasion of Israel. God gathers his people (remnant of Israel on earth/church to heaven) and destroys gog.

If gog is the head wound that is subsequently healed, and the nations that invade Israel are Islamic which they appear to be...maybe the beast is indeed Islamic, as many speculate. There is a split between the Sunnis and Shiites - maybe one sect is taken out and the other takes over....

Where does the Bible say the days of the tribulation will be cut short because of the Gog invasion?

And Sunni and Shiite Muslims are not united. In fact, that is the biggest current division in Islam. So I don' think it flows with your theory

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Where does the Bible say the days of the tribulation will be cut short because of the Gog invasion?

And Sunni and Shiite Muslims are not united. In fact, that is the biggest current division in Islam. So I don' think it flows with your theory

Jesus said that the great tribulation will be cut short for the sake of the elect in Matt 24.
He said immediately after the tribulation, the sun/moon darken/stars fall.

Joel 2 describes what is going on when the sun/moon darken/stars fall - a MASSIVE Northern army invasion (gog). That is the reason the great tribulation is cut short or else no one would survive.

Ezek 38 says regarding gog:

Ezek 38:21And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

I thought maybe that represented division because of the two sects but it could be just that they start fighting each other in the confusion as God is destroying them. He's done it before.

 

[NJBeliever]

Jesus said that the great tribulation will be cut short for the sake of the elect in Matt 24.
He said immediately after the tribulation, the sun/moon darken/stars fall.

Joel 2 describes what is going on when the sun/moon darken/stars fall - a MASSIVE Northern army invasion (gog). That is the reason the great tribulation is cut short or else no one would survive.

Ezek 38 says regarding gog:

Ezek 38:21And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

I thought maybe that represented division because of the two sects but it could be just that they start fighting each other in the confusion as God is destroying them. He's done it before.

Where does Joel 2 mention the Northern Army??

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Where does Joel 2 mention the Northern Army??

Joel 2:20But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

 

[ivebeenshown]

I feel that the covenant of 'seven' formed by the prince that shall come will spread deceit and false hope: the prince, this false prophet, will flatter all those people and spread a message of unity amongst all of Islam, and the nation of Israel, so to allow the rebuilding of a Jewish temple on the temple mount (minus the outer court so that the two existing mosques may stand.)

At this time the two witnesses, who are the woman and the 144,000 saints, the two olive branches before God, the gentiles and the Jews of faith in Christ -- they will begin their 1,260 day testimony with protection from God. During this time they shall be unharmed.

Their very testimony against what is occurring -- the rise of the false prophet and beast, the needless animal sacrifice on the temple mount, the false doctrines of Islam -- this testimony is the word of God, the 'sword' that appears to mortally wound the beast, as the witnesses cannot be harmed.

Once the witnesses are able to be overcome, the beast shall appear to have been healed of its mortal wound. The false prophet then gives the beast its power: and places the abomination of desolation, by exalting himself as God, and causing the nations to see his overcoming of the witnesses as having been made possible by his own doing. He will be a 'false Messiah.' From that point on, the fate of every man is determined as he is made to choose which side he is on.

Just my understanding so far, subject to change.

 

[crush]

Hi,
Good topic. I also think that the 'deadly wound' is the destruction of Gog (antichrist).

In Revelation 13, the 'head' that is being cut off is that of the 'sea-beast' (leviathan). The beast is made up of four parts - the 'head' with 10 horns, the leopard, lion, and bear.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

These are the same four creatures that rise up from the sea in Daniel 7.

Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel's 'fourth beast' is the same as the 'head' of John's Rev 13 composite sea-beast. It is the part of the beast that contains the 'horns'.

If you'll notice what happens in Daniel 7:11-12 you can see the 'headwound' to leviathan (the sea beast). Daniel's 'fourth beast' (the head of leviathan) is slain and given to the burning flame (cast into the lake of fire Rev 19:20). But the other 3 beasts that Daniel sees, the 'body' of leviathan in Rev 13 (the leopard, lion, bear) are not destroyed by Christ at that time. They are allowed to continue for 'a season and a time'.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

So when comparing Daniel 7 to Revelations 13, the miracle isn't so much that the head of the beast is healed, and grows back. It's that the body of the beast can live without the head.

This same pattern is seen in Hosea 13. A 'king' is given to Israel (the head of leviathan), and destroyed in the 'wrath' (6th seal, Christ's second coming). The 'head' is cut off.

Hos 13:11 I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.

But the 'body' of the sea-beast (the leopard, lion, bear) are preserved, and used as punishment and purification for ethnic Israel (Jacob's trouble)

Hos 13:7 Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
Hos 13:8 I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.

I also agree that this 'headwound' is delivered by Christ, and is referenced in Revelations 12 as 'the earth swallowing up the flood'. The army assembled against the 'woman in the wilderness' is cast into the lake of fire.

Psa 74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.
Psa 74:15 Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers.

An Isaiah description of the Lord's second coming includes the 'headwound' along with a description of the creation of the lake of fire. The 'head' of leviathan (the anti-christ) is consumed by the fiery breath of the Lord. This wound is against the neck. The head is cut off.

Isa 30:27 Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
Isa 30:28 And his breath, as an overflowing stream, shall reach to the midst of the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of vanity: and there shall be a bridle in the jaws of the people, causing them to err

And 'Tophet' (the lake of fire) is created at this same time.

Isa 30:33 For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.

Which brings us back to Dan 7:11.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Paul also mentions that the 'antichrist' will be destroyed by the Lord's 'breath'. From comparing to Isaiah 30, you can see that the Lord's 'breath' is a stream of fire and brimstone.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Isaiah 34 sums everything up pretty good I think. On the day of the Lord's vengeance the 'lake of fire' is created. The 'antichrist' is cast into the 'lake of fire' (the head of leviathan is cut off). And the 'year of recompences' (Jacob's trouble) begins against Israel at the hands of the still living - but beheaded - sea beast (the leopard, lion, bear)

Isa 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Isa 34:9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.

And this is also what occurs in Ezekiel 39. After Gog is destroyed (the head cut off), Israel is brought into captivity again (Jacob's trouble). The punishment of Israel is at the hands of the leopard, lion, and bear (Hosea 13), the 'year of recompences' from Isaiah 34:8 which occurs after Christ's second coming.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

crush

 

[ivebeenshown]

Very intriguing, crush. Thank you for that post. I must sit down and study/form an outline of the other books of prophecy, as I have done already with Revelation, and see what else there is to see.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I feel that the covenant of 'seven' formed by the prince that shall come will spread deceit and false hope:

The New Covenant does not spread deceit and false hope. Jesus was named Messiah after 69 weeks, at the beginning of the 70th week, the beginning of the New Covenant. Jesus was cut off after the 69th week, mid-70th week, ending the need for sacrifices. Remember, the 70 weeks are for ISRAEL and JERUSALEM.


Daniel 9:25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Once the witnesses are able to be overcome, the beast shall appear to have been healed of its mortal wound. The false prophet then gives the beast its power: and places the abomination of desolation, by exalting himself as God, and causing the nations to see his overcoming of the witnesses as having been made possible by his own doing. He will be a 'false Messiah.' From that point on, the fate of every man is determined as he is made to choose which side he is on.

Jesus said the abomination of desolation was the armies that surrounded Jerusalem, leading to it's desolation until the end. Luke 21, Daniel 11.


The anti-christ is not mentioned in Daniel 9. Nothing the anti-christ does is ever referred to as the abomination of desolation. No evil covenant between the anti-christ and Israel is mentioned in Scripture.

 

[ivebeenshown]

Mark 13:14"When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Jesus says that when Jerusalem is encompassed with armies, 'the desolation thereof is nigh.' 'Nigh' means 'near.' The armies surrounding Jerusalem were not referred to as the abomination of desolation.

The 'new covenant' is formed for eternity, with Jesus' death. The 'covenant confirmed with many' is formed for seven years.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Mark 13:14"When you see 'the abomination that causes desolation' standing where it does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Jesus says that when Jerusalem is encompassed with armies, 'the desolation thereof is nigh.' 'Nigh' means 'near.' The armies surrounding Jerusalem were not referred to as the abomination of desolation.

Compare:

Matt 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

to:


Luke 21: 20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.


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Daniel 11: 31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

The 'new covenant' is formed for eternity, with Jesus' death. The 'covenant confirmed with many' is formed for seven years.

Yes, and ISRAEL gets a week of years to choose to believe. They rejected him mid-week and Christ brought in the church, then he will choose Israel again.

Rom 11:25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

m 11:26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

Rom 11:27And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

 

[Mess]

Where does the Bible say the days of the tribulation will be cut short because of the Gog invasion?

And Sunni and Shiite Muslims are not united. In fact, that is the biggest current division in Islam. So I don' think it flows with your theory

Actually there is one man that can unite ALL muslims, and that man is Prince El-Hassan bin Talal of Jordan, or better yet the Heshemite Kingdom of Jordania. The heshemite family that is a family that is directly descended from Mohammed, and that can prove it. He's the 42nd generation. The Heshemite family have claim on ALL Muslim property, and holy sites, and Hassan is a very prominent member on the international scene. This guy could unite all Muslims, and there are strong claims that he is The AC.

 

[Achilles6129]

Compare:

Matt 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

to:


Luke 21: 20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

Two separate events, Jen. One is describing the placing of the abomination of desolation in the holy place (i.e., the temple) the other is describing the armies that surround Jerusalem. In both cases, Christ is warning the Christians to flee out of Judaea because of what is about to happen.

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Daniel 11: 31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

This is referring to Antiochus IV, and is well known to be referring to him. It is not a reference to the antichrist, nor is it a reference to Titus and the Romans.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Two separate events, Jen. One is describing the placing of the abomination of desolation in the holy place (i.e., the temple) the other is describing the armies that surround Jerusalem. In both cases, Christ is warning the Christians to flee out of Judaea because of what is about to happen.

The land surrounding the Temple is holy too, Scripturally. Therefore "standing in the holy place" could mean where the armies are standing.

Ezek 45 describes the holy ground for the new temple. I'm sure the same was spoken of regarding the other temples...I'll just have to find it if you don't believe me.

This is referring to Antiochus IV, and is well known to be referring to him. It is not a reference to the antichrist, nor is it a reference to Titus and the Romans.

The problem is, Achilles, that Matt 24 says 15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).

How many times does the prophet Daniel speak of "the abomination of desolation" standing in the holy place?

Daniel 11: 31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Daniel 12: 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.


Jesus was speaking prophetically. That means that THE abomination of desolation standing in the holy place spoken of by Daniel happened after Jesus. It was FUTURE from Jesus' perspective. THAT means that it was NOT Antiochus Epiphanes because Antiochus Epiphanes was over 150 years before Jesus was born.

 

[Achilles6129]

The land surrounding the Temple is holy too, Scripturally. Therefore "standing in the holy place" could mean where the armies are standing.

Ezek 45 describes the holy ground for the new temple. I'm sure the same was spoken of regarding the other temples...I'll just have to find it if you don't believe me.

Do.

The problem is, Achilles, that Matt 24 says 15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand).

How many times does the prophet Daniel speak of "the abomination of desolation" standing in the holy place?

In Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11, and Daniel 12. Christ is referencing Daniel 9:27 here.

Jesus was speaking prophetically. That means that THE abomination of desolation standing in the holy place spoken of by Daniel happened after Jesus. It was FUTURE from Jesus' perspective. THAT means that it was NOT Antiochus Epiphanes because Antiochus Epiphanes was over 150 years before Jesus was born.

See above.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Do.



In Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11, and Daniel 12. Christ is referencing Daniel 9:27 here.




See above.

Here is Daniel 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Based on that scripture, Achilles, what do you think the abomination of desolation is? I don't see "THE abomination of desolation" in that passage. I do see "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it (city/temple) desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate".

What is "THE abomination of desolation standing in the holy place" that you supposedly see in that passage?

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Well, here's an interesting one, lending credence that it is the armies standing on holy ground that Luke 21 refers to (as well as Daniel 11) =

Psa 79:1[[A Psalm of Asaph.]] O God, the heathen are come into thine inheritance; thy holy temple have they defiled; they have laid Jerusalem on heaps.


Luk 21:20¶And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.


Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


It either IS the armies standing on holy ground or them actually going into the temple that is THE abomination of desolation.

The result is the same in all three passages - the desolation of Jerusalem/temple/Israel.

 

[Achilles6129]

Here is Daniel 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


Based on that scripture, Achilles, what do you think the abomination of desolation is? I don't see "THE abomination of desolation" in that passage. I do see "for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it (city/temple) desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate".

You are using a mistranslation here. That verse does speak of the abomination of desolation, but the KJV mistranslates it.

"27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' [i] In the middle of the 'seven' [j] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. [k] " [l]" Dan. 9:27 (NIV)

This is a better translation, and reflects, I believe, the true meaning of the passage. Therefore, the abomination of desolation is spoken of in Daniel 9:27.

It either IS the armies standing on holy ground or them actually going into the temple that is THE abomination of desolation.

No it is not. The abomination of desolation is referred to as an "it" by Jesus Christ:

"14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:" Mk. 13:14

Not as an individual, but an "it". In Daniel 9:27, we find it is the antichrist who places this abomination of desolation.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

You are using a mistranslation here. That verse does speak of the abomination of desolation, but the KJV mistranslates it.

"27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' [i] In the middle of the 'seven' [j] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him. [k] " [l]" Dan. 9:27 (NIV)

This is a better translation, and reflects, I believe, the true meaning of the passage. Therefore, the abomination of desolation is spoken of in Daniel 9:27.



No it is not. The abomination of desolation is referred to as an "it" by Jesus Christ:

"14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:" Mk. 13:14

Not as an individual, but an "it". In Daniel 9:27, we find it is the antichrist who places this abomination of desolation.

Go to the Hebrew. When there is a translation discrepancy (and there are), go to the Hebrew.

Online Hebrew Interlinear Bible

An "it" can be an army standing on holy ground just as Luke 21 and Daniel 11 describe.