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He Shall Subdue Three kings

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I would find it more credible if you would explain your position with Scripture in context. I don't want someone else's explanation; otherwise, it shows me you don't understand your own position. So humor me.

BTW,  I did read your "canned" links and I see no difference in what I believe as the pre-wrath position to be the most biblically correct.  So convince me?  It just showed me you can cut and paste, well, so can I.  You have to do better than that. 

 
 
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Those are not "canned" links. They are previous posts of my own work. Where other authors are used as supporting material, they are given proper citation, as we are taught to do in elementary school.

Your dismissive attitude indicates that you are not really interested in a serious discussion, so I will respectfully decline your request to "humor" you.
 
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Hello Ladylove and GraftMein

In my study I have correlated the 3 kingdoms that are subdued from the book of Daniel, with the battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39. In reading some UN documentation several years ago, I found that the UN’s Parliamentary Association, which I believe is the acting law making body of the UN, has separated the world into 10 kingdoms. The documentation I was reading was compiled by a organization called “Police Against The New World Order“. The members of this organization are current and former police officers and current and former military personnel. They gather documentation that has been copyrighted or published by organizations that support, finance, and socially plan a world government. I believe the UN division of the world is the one represented in the books of Daniel and Revelation.

Looking at the groups evolved in the battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39, and comparing them with the nations that represent the land masses of those groups that are today aligned to do battle, we can isolated 3 kingdoms. 1.The USA, North America. 2. Russia, and possibly some of the former republics of the USSR. 3. The Arab nations, the Middle-East. In the battle, we see that Russia, and the forces with her, and the Arab forces are completely annihilated. Since their battle is against Israel, I believe I am safe to assume the USA will side with Israel. I also believe the ramifications of this battle will bring the conditions spoken of in the seal judgments 1-4 in Revelation Chapter 6. This battle along with the conditions caused from it, will destroy ¼ of the worlds population. Over 1 ½ billion people. I believe their will be a nuclear exchange in this battle. Israel will survive the attack though the grace of GOD. The US will be brought down to a non-super power status. Russia will only have 1/6 of it’s population to survive. I believe the Arabs will suffer the greatest loss in this battle. Ezekiel seems to give us two indications of when this battle takes place. In the latter years, and chapter 39 specifically describes a 7 year period were Israel will burn the weapons that are laying around after this battle. I believe this indicates the battle will happen right before the 7 year tribulation. Hmmmm lets think here, in the latter years, right before a 7 year period. This sounds like a good indication for me, as to when this battle takes place.

Now if this scenario is the prophetic outcome of scripture, how would it effect the world. The two most powerful countries in the world, or no longer. The Arab oil fields are wide open for Israeli control. The surviving countries of the world need the oil ( Europe, and the Orient ). The UN will surly take over the martial law declared over the world. Then the man with the plan to solve all the worlds problems is revealed. He has three subdued kingdoms that have caused all the problems in the world. He then places a king over each kingdom. They swear allegiance to him. He has a treaty in hand, and in one hours time it is done. A world government, made up of 10 kingdoms, all controlled by the anti-christ. The treaty gives all the land GOD promised to Abraham to Israel, which is most of the middle-east. This secures Europe’s oil supply to rebuild the world. Of course all of this was planned out a head of time, to force the world into this union, by the anti-christ, and his lackeys behind the scenes, before he was revealed to the world.

BUT, there is a trigger event that I believe will happen first, before this battle takes place. This event causes panic all over the world. Thousands of wrecks happen at the same instant through out the world. Machines suddenly have no operators causing tremendous damage. Unattended stoves cause fires that destroy many homes. The hospitals will be over-run with the injured. Panic will ensue. Insurance companies will be devastated. The stock markets will crash. There will be a run on the banks, and all this will lead to anarchy in the streets and a declaration of martial law. This event is of course, I believe, the rapture, where millions through out the world will be caught up.

With the USA and world economy now devastated, I believe the Russians and the Arabs will make their move on Israel. I also see the events happening now in the middle-east as the further alignment of the nations that will participate in this battle.

Some scripture to compare. The names of the land masses in Ezekiel 38 and 39, correlate almost perfectly with the names of Noah’s descendents in Genesis Chapter 10. I find it very interesting that Genesis 10 made sure, (out of all the descendants of Noah that could have been mentioned), to include ALL the names that would be mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39.

Now I want to say this is only my opinion, and I am not dogmatic about it’s accuracy. This is just what I get from my study. How actual events unfold, we will just have to wait to see, and I do not believe that is going to be a very long wait. I also know that there are other opinions on the time frame of things, and we may not agree, and I respect that. I hope this may help in your studies, and I also would like to read your conclusions from your studies. Peace, but not yet.
 
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Originally posted by ladylove
Patmo,

You are wrong. Since you cannot condense your viewpoint in a short paragraph I have to conclude that you don't understand your own position. That was all I was asking, it is not too much.

I suppose you would conclude that Paul doesn't understand his own position since he never summed it up in one paragraph. If that's what you wanted, you should have said so in the first place. But let's look back at what you said:

That sounds real new age, pal.  But, okay, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, care to explain what the covenental, holistic perspective is?  I want verses in context from Scripture for this to be valid.  If you can't back up your position, you are not worth my time.  This had better be good.  *arms folded*

Now, that sounds like you were demanding a detailed explanation, not a one-paragraph summation. You can't have it both ways. If you want one paragraph, I can do it in two sentences: Jesus Christ, having died and risen from the dead, now exists in the very form which all creation will exist in the fully consummated kingdom of God. The life he lived in the flesh is the pattern for the life we must live in anticipation of the coming kingdom. 
 
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Originally posted by Patmosman_sga


I suppose you would conclude that Paul doesn't understand his own position since he never summed it up in one paragraph. If that's what you wanted, you should have said so in the first place. But let's look back at what you said:
 
 

I am talking about you, not Paul.  You are confusing the subject.


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Now, that sounds like you were demanding a detailed explanation, not a one-paragraph summation. You can't have it both ways. If you want one paragraph, I can do it in two sentences: Jesus Christ, having died and risen from the dead, now exists in the very form which all creation will exist in the fully consummated kingdom of God. The life he lived in the flesh is the pattern for the life we must live in anticipation of the coming kingdom. 

I agree with your last two sentences.  So what has this to do with the 3 leaders, the subject of this thread? :scratch:
 
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Originally posted by ladylove
 

I agree with your last two sentences.  So what has this to do with the 3 leaders, the subject of this thread? :scratch:

It means that living for the kingdom of God is all about Jesus, not Bush, Hussein, Arafat, Mugabe or any other earthly ruler. Earthly kingdoms rise and fall, but Christ's kingdom and reign will never end. As long as you focus on things that must end, you will always think you're living in the "end times." But because Christ is risen from the dead, we have nothing to fear, not even the "end of the world." In Christ, we are already taking part in a kingdom which has no end.
 
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Originally posted by Patmosman_sga


It means that living for the kingdom of God is all about Jesus, not Bush, Hussein, Arafat, Mugabe or any other earthly ruler. Earthly kingdoms rise and fall, but Christ's kingdom and reign will never end. As long as you focus on things that must end, you will always think you're living in the "end times." But because Christ is risen from the dead, we have nothing to fear, not even the "end of the world." In Christ, we are already taking part in a kingdom which has no end.

No one is living for these human figures. You are so blind. This forum is for talking about and studying prophecy, which you haven't a clue, because you are limited, using your human mind, not the spirit. You are ever seeing, but not perceiving and ever hearing but never understanding. Only a man that is without the Spirit would believe that all prophecies have been fulfilled in 70 A.D.  Only a new modern day Pharisee could be so blind.

 
 
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Originally posted by Patmosman_sga


It means that living for the kingdom of God is all about Jesus, not Bush, Hussein, Arafat, Mugabe or any other earthly ruler. Earthly kingdoms rise and fall, but Christ's kingdom and reign will never end. As long as you focus on things that must end, you will always think you're living in the "end times." But because Christ is risen from the dead, we have nothing to fear, not even the "end of the world." In Christ, we are already taking part in a kingdom which has no end.

Again, I don't get it...it has nothing to do with the three leaders.  But there are concrete signs the Lord has given so that the faithful church can indeed "KNOW" when they are living in Daniel's 70th week.  Why?  So the faithful church will be prepared.  Blessed are those who are PREPARED for they are the ones who do not fear.  For they "know" what is happening around them.  That is why I study, pal.  It is that simple.  None of us at the end will be 100% right about the events of prophesy, but some will be very, very close, IMHO. 
 
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Maranatha,

Although an interesting theory, and with all due respect, I don't agree with most of your post.

1) The three kings relate to those peoples who are from uttermost part of the NORTH of Israel. The USA and the Arabs are not from the north of Israel.

2) The battle that Exekial 39 is talking about is the battle of Aramgeddon AFTER Daniel's 70th week ends, not before as you suggest in your post. Where Israel burns the weapons of war for seven years and burys the dead for 7 mos. and the millenial kingdom begins.

You have a lot of assumptions here which is just not plausible. Sorry.
 
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Originally posted by ladylove
So Patmos, are you one of those who hold a preterist view?

I would critique most forms of preterism in much the same way as I critique most forms of futurism. Neither position considers the whole picture. It is important to understand the historical context of biblical prophecy and preterism is helpful in that regard. It is also important, however, to understand how God is still acting in history to bring his kingdom to its full consummation. To be sure, futurism (particularly dispensationalism) has a greater tendency toward extremist positions than does preterism, but neither system is ultimately adequate to answer all the questions about how our salvation is complete and being made complete and how God's kingdom is both now and yet to come.

This is why our focus must be on Jesus, God's decisive revelation of himself, and not on world leaders or events, be they past, present or future. 
 
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