Have you ever seen a TE claim that Creationists are not saved because of Creationism?

[KerrMetric]

I never have - though I have seen the reverse in operation.

We see threads titled "Those in Christ will be one Spirit, godless evolutionists will be cut off"

From the poster Gottservant. http://www.christianforums.com/t569...it-godless-evolutionists-will-be-cut-off.html

Nice one Gottservant. I might think Creationists are ill informed or for the professional ones at AIG & ICR dishonest con men BUT I don't question their salvation.



ps

I'm petty sure he meant evolutionist implies godless NOT a subset of evolutionists who are atheists.

 

[Atheuz]

People who do condemn people because of a very small part of the belief system should be the ones that end up in hell because it goes against everything Jesus taught.

Makes me sick that there's really people like him.

 

[Assyrian]

Mind you, XianJedi and Laptoppop weighed in to disagree with the post. Really nice to see that.

 

[Dannager]

Mind you, XianJedi and Laptoppop weighed in to disagree with the post. Really nice to see that.

I agree. Creationists cleaning up after their own gives me hope for the future.

 

[Pats]

Mind you, XianJedi and Laptoppop weighed in to disagree with the post. Really nice to see that.

I repped 'em both.

 

[HypnoToad]

Have you ever seen a TE claim that Creationists are not saved because of Creationism?

Yes - in the "Is God a Scientist?" thread by Expat. He claims science is part of God's revealed Word, and to deny science is to deny God. He didn't say it directly, but I'm not sure how one can be saved while "denying God".

 

[Dannager]

Yes - in the "Is God a Scientist?" thread by Expat. He claims science is part of God's revealed Word, and to deny science is to deny God. He didn't say it directly, but I'm not sure how one can be saved while "denying God".

I'm confused. It is your opinion, then, that you and creationists in general deny science?

 

[HypnoToad]

I'm confused. It is your opinion, then, that you and creationists in general deny science?

No, that was the claim of Expat.

 

[Deamiter]

Yes - in the "Is God a Scientist?" thread by Expat. He claims science is part of God's revealed Word, and to deny science is to deny God. He didn't say it directly, but I'm not sure how one can be saved while "denying God".

Yeah, that's just as much a fallacy as "denying my personal interpretation of scriptures is equal to denying scriptures which is equal to denying God."

Doesn't make much sense either way.

 

[shernren]

And to be fair, Gottservant really is far more aggressive than your typical creationist.

 

[archaeologist]

if i may interject here:

in every facet of life there are those people who reside along the fringe who are unreachable by the most rational of people.

we see it every day in the middle east and with those who like to bomb the abortion clinics in the name of Christ.

they will always be convinced of their position and no amount of reasoning will mellow them out to where they can be taught.

as for the title of this thread, read 1 John honestly and compare what you believe with what God teaches. be discerning and forget allegorizing or metaphorizing but ask God to bind the evil one so you can see the truth for yourself, without interference. be open to what God may point out to you.

 

[Jase]

if i may interject here:

in every facet of life there are those people who reside along the fringe who are unreachable by the most rational of people.

we see it every day in the middle east and with those who like to bomb the abortion clinics in the name of Christ.

they will always be convinced of their position and no amount of reasoning will mellow them out to where they can be taught.

as for the title of this thread, read 1 John honestly and compare what you believe with what God teaches. be discerning and forget allegorizing or metaphorizing but ask God to bind the evil one so you can see the truth for yourself, without interference. be open to what God may point out to you.

And if people here claimed that God pointed out to them that evolution is in fact the means by which he created life's diversity, you would of course say what God told them was wrong? Your advice is useless since no matter what anyone says, you will always claim they are wrong until they agree with you.

 

[random_guy]

Just another example reply to a TEist from a Creationist after the TEist mentioned that the Global Flood has been falsified a long time ago.

and you wonder why your salvation is called into question.

Many Creationists might talk about how TEists are the divisive group, however, TEists don't make Creation vs. Science a sticking point for Salvation. This seems far more common for Creationists.

 

[archaeologist]

And if people here claimed that God pointed out to them that evolution is in fact the means by which he created life's diversity, you would of course say what God told them was wrong? Your advice is useless since no matter what anyone says, you will always claim they are wrong until they agree with you

remember God uses people to speak the truth and the question you need to answer is:

are you agreeing with me or God? if i am but a messenger then you need to test the message and see if it is of God or not.

let's see-- one test is to ask if i believe Jesus came in the flesh...that i do. so now you have a problem, do you take your chances and dismiss what i am saying or do you listen and see where God wants you to make changes?

that the Global Flood has been falsified a long time ago.

which brings up the question, if you are a christian, or say you are, do you believe what God says or science?

 

[Dannager]

which brings up the question, if you are a christian, or say you are, do you believe what God says or science?

The Bible is not necessarily "what God says". Don't try to turn this into an issue of who believes in God more. I can't imagine anything more puerile.

God speaks through science far more clearly than through the Bible.

 

[shernren]

which brings up the question, if you are a christian, or say you are, do you believe what God says or science?

God Himself has created nature such that a scientific statement would never need to derive authority from Scripture. The only criterion of a scientific statement's truth is how well it describes our observations of physical reality, and it has pleased God to let these observations be uniformly repeatable regardless of any researcher's personal beliefs about religion or Scripture. As such, no true scientific statement would be any more true, nor would any false scientific statement be any less false, simply because it was in Scripture: for the proper object of science is neither the Creator nor His Scriptures but His creation.

 

[theFijian]

aaah the good old wedge tactic. Science or the bible, but not both.

 

[theFijian]

God speaks through science far more clearly than through the Bible.

Well it would depend what question you were asking imo.

 

[artybloke]

Well it would depend what question you were asking imo.

Consudering the number of debates about the interpretation of scripture on all issues from infant baptism to whether you should go to war or not, I'd say that the idea that the Bible is clear on anything is pretty questionable...

 

[theIdi0t]

Consudering the number of debates about the interpretation of scripture on all issues from infant baptism to whether you should go to war or not, I'd say that the idea that the Bible is clear on anything is pretty questionable...

Yea, particularly when you have over 32,000 denominations. You have the Mennonites, the Amish, the Quakers who all believe in a literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount, while the majority of Creationist believe it should not be taken literally, but should be taken "symbolically", nor do they take the whole part about the difficulty of a rich man entering into heave literally, even though the Scripture is speaking out specifically against the piety of the rich man.

I would think denying what Jesus said brings someone's salvation into question more so than taking Genesis as allegorical, but hey that's just me.

And yes, I believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh, so do the majority of historians.