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Carey,

If you do not know then let me help. Christians are God's chosen people, the seed of Abraham and heirs to the promise of God.

I knpw the scripture that speeks of the seed singular and many that speek of the Abrahamic promse of the land pluraly.

Now we know the Bible does not contradict itself so..
either there are 2 seperate everlasting covenants.

One for The plural offspring and one for the single offspring.

So I believe Vhristians will after resirrection be in the promise land Revelations 21 speaks of.

By I know also that the Jews were Gods cjosen people and have the land right now. Because he did not promise them part of the second SEPERATE covenant
because of what Abraham did. The second covenant being a covenant promising eternal life.

The first and still in force covenant God is keeping with a specific Genetic plural seed and proving his mighty power By miraculously keeping his previous chosen people back in their land against the wishes of most of the world.
 
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I knpw the scripture that speeks of the seed singular and many that speek of the Abrahamic promse of the land pluraly.

Now we know the Bible does not contradict itself so..
either there are 2 seperate everlasting covenants.

One for The plural offspring and one for the single offspring.

So I believe Vhristians will after resirrection be in the promise land Revelations 21 speaks of.

By I know also that the Jews were Gods cjosen people and have the land right now. Because he did not promise them part of the second SEPERATE covenant
because of what Abraham did. The second covenant being a covenant promising eternal life.

The first and still in force covenant God is keeping with a specific Genetic plural seed and proving his mighty power By miraculously keeping his previous chosen people back in their land against the wishes of most of the world.

Yes Carey, they were choosen, when they rejected Christ, of whom all the OT prophets spoke, then their status as God's messengers and witnesses ceased. Christians were then choosen to go out and spread the Gospel. You are correct in that God's promises never wavier, God made his covenant based solely on mans 'Faithfulness' to him.
 
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Carey,

If you do not know then let me help. Christians are God's chosen people, the seed of Abraham and heirs to the promise of God.
actually we are the adopted sons and daughters grafted into the wild olive tree..because of the chosen children refused to accept that Jesus was the Messiah..The Jews first then the Gentiles....Christian means followers of Jesus...
 
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actually we are the adopted sons and daughters grafted into the wild olive tree..because of the chosen children refused to accept that Jesus was the Messiah..The Jews first then the Gentiles....Christian means followers of Jesus...

Hello PastorMikeJ,

Glad you stopped by. I cannot agree more. The tree and its branches are fundamentally correct. What is the nature of the tree? What is the nature of any tree? It has branches and branches split off and finally a trunk and roots. Is Israel part of the tree? No doubt. Every Israelite that was faithful to God is part of the living tree. Christian Israelites even today are the branches.


Mathew 22
23 The same day some Sadducees came to him, saying there is no resurrection;* and they asked him a question, saying, 24‘Teacher, Moses said, “If a man dies childless, his brother shall marry the widow, and raise up children for his brother.” 25Now there were seven brothers among us; the first married, and died childless, leaving the widow to his brother. 26The second did the same, so also the third, down to the seventh. 27Last of all, the woman herself died. 28In the resurrection, then, whose wife of the seven will she be? For all of them had married her.’
29 Jesus answered them, ‘You are wrong, because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels* in heaven. 31And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, 32“I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob”? He is God not of the dead, but of the living.’ 33And when the crowd heard it, they were astounded at his teaching.


Many of those who were natural heirs rebelled as Christ had said.

‘Truly I tell you, in no one* in Israel have I found such faith. 11I tell you, many will come from east and west and will eat with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, 12while the heirs of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 13And to the centurion Jesus said, ‘Go; let it be done for you according to your faith.’ And the servant was healed in that hour
 
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Please excuse that littleflower woman, she's an absolute nut case. Here posts have always struck me as reimiscent of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Osama Bin Laden, and Yassar Arafat.

Hello jbg9,

It is rather difficult to address that kind of statement. What specifically do you have in mind? Please try and provide quotes and some context. This kind of comment like this seems to be a rather poorly placed insult to me.
 
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This has turn into vary nice discussion.. These verses I find very telling.


Matt. 3:8 Therefore produce fruit 12 that proves your 13 repentance, 3:9 and don’t think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that God can raise up children for Abraham from these stones! 3:10 Even now the ax is laid at 14 the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
 
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I knpw the scripture that speeks of the seed singular and many that speek of the Abrahamic promse of the land pluraly.

Now we know the Bible does not contradict itself so..
either there are 2 seperate everlasting covenants.

One for The plural offspring and one for the single offspring.

So I believe Vhristians will after resirrection be in the promise land Revelations 21 speaks of.

By I know also that the Jews were Gods cjosen people and have the land right now. Because he did not promise them part of the second SEPERATE covenant
because of what Abraham did. The second covenant being a covenant promising eternal life.

The first and still in force covenant God is keeping with a specific Genetic plural seed and proving his mighty power By miraculously keeping his previous chosen people back in their land against the wishes of most of the world.

Hello Carey,

What specifically is in force under the Covenant of the Law? It certainly appears obsolete.

Hebrews 8

13In speaking of ‘a new covenant’, he has made the first one obsolete. And what is obsolete and growing old will soon disappear.
This does not stand alone. Zechariah is a post exilic prophet. What covenant is this? Hebrews also is essentially quoting Jeremiah.

Zechariah 11

10I took my staff Favour and broke it, annulling the covenant that I had made with all the peoples. 11So it was annulled on that day, and the sheep dealers, who were watching me, knew that it was the word of the Lord. 12I then said to them, ‘If it seems right to you, give me my wages; but if not, keep them.’ So they weighed out as my wages thirty shekels of silver. 13Then the Lord said to me, ‘Throw it into the treasury’*—this lordly price at which I was valued by them. So I took the thirty shekels of silver and threw them into the treasury* in the house of the Lord. 14Then I broke my second staff Unity, annulling the family ties between Judah and Israel.
Now as to the old covenant now obsolete it spells out the terms

Deuteronomy 30
When all these things have happened to you, the blessings and the curses that I have set before you, if you call them to mind among all the nations where the Lord your God has driven you, 2and return to the Lord your God, and you and your children obey him with all your heart and with all your soul, just as I am commanding you today, 3then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you, gathering you again from all the peoples among whom the Lord your God has scattered you.
What you are essentially saying is Jews are turning to God. This is in direct conflict to Christ.

John 14

5Thomas said to him, ‘Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?’ 6Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you know me, you will know* my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.’
To accept that Jews coming to Israel is from God it is in direct violation of an obsolete covenant. This is why Orthodox Jews BTW are opposed to Zionism of this nature. They believe they are to remain in exile.

As to this "miracle" it was Rothschild funding that created Israel. This is well known. The British were happy to support this effort as a state in their control on the eastern flank of the Suez was considered very desirable for the empire. WWI was the first stage to cut out Palestine from the Ottoman's and under British control. Any less put at risk cutting off India and China.


http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-6266/Rothschild-family

Notice the biographer Frederick Morton referenced by Britannica. In that book Frederick Morton estimated the wealth was about 6 billion in 1850. The most powerful empire in the world was behind it. In other words , what miracle? The greatest concentration of wealth up to that time in the world was funding the state of Israel. It was also curiously funding Antisemitism no doubt to create a desire for Jews to immigrate to this state.
 
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Hello Carey,

What specifically is in force under the Covenant of the Law? It certainly appears obsolete.

Hebrews 8

This does not stand alone. Zechariah is a post exilic prophet. What covenant is this? Hebrews also is essentially quoting Jeremiah.

Zechariah 11

Now as to the old covenant now obsolete it spells out the terms

Deuteronomy 30
What you are essentially saying is Jews are turning to God. This is in direct conflict to Christ.

John 14

To accept that Jews coming to Israel is from God it is in direct violation of an obsolete covenant. This is why Orthodox Jews BTW are opposed to Zionism of this nature. They believe they are to remain in exile.

As to this "miracle" it was Rothschild funding that created Israel. This is well known. The British were happy to support this effort as a state in their control on the eastern flank of the Suez was considered very desirable for the empire. WWI was the first stage to cut out Palestine from the Ottoman's and under British control. Any less put at risk cutting off India and China.


http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-6266/Rothschild-family

Notice the biographer Frederick Morton referenced by Britannica. In that book Frederick Morton estimated the wealth was about 6 billion in 1850. The most powerful empire in the world was behind it. In other words , what miracle? The greatest concentration of wealth up to that time in the world was funding the state of Israel. It was also curiously funding Antisemitism no doubt to create a desire for Jews to immigrate to this state.

The covenant made between Abraham and God was seperate from the Covenant made between the Hebrews and God and given to moses.
1 did not replace the other.

The covenant between all mankind and God made when Jesus died had to do with the one given to moses because Jesus said Love God with all your heart and your neighboor as your self. These are two greatest commandments but not the only ones. All the others are hinged on these 2 greatest commandments.

To answer your question ...what is still in force in the law is what part of the law would be hinged on the 2 greatest commandments?? That is the part still in force.
 
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The covenant made between Abraham and God was seperate from the Covenant made between the Hebrews and God and given to moses.
1 did not replace the other.


Hello Carey,

That is not in agreement with scripture. To make an argument as such you need to respond to the scriptures I presented , not make an unsupported statement. What covenant was broken in Zechariah 11?



Jeremiah 31
Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
[32] not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD.
[33] But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Hebrews leaves no room to misunderstand.

Hebrews 8
[13] In speaking of a new covenant he treats the first as obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


The covenant between all mankind and God made when Jesus died had to do with the one given to moses because Jesus said Love God with all your heart and your neighboor as your self. These are two greatest commandments but not the only ones. All the others are hinged on these 2 greatest commandments.

To answer your question ...what is still in force in the law is what part of the law would be hinged on the 2 greatest commandments?? That is the part still in force.


The fulfillment of the Law occurred after Christ gave himself. The requirements of the law has not changed. The covenant is in relation to how we may be reconciled to God not the nature of God. God does not change.
 
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Evangelical Lutheran School of Hope in Ramallah

The Evangelical Lutheran School of Hope is located just minutes from the Manara, the bustling center of the West Bank City of Ramallah. With 60,000 people in its metropolitan area and over 280,000 in the surrounding governorate, Ramallah is one of the primary centers of Palestinian government, business, arts, and culture. The Palestinian National Authority offices are here along with many of the largest businesses, schools, and cultural centers of the Palestinian territories.

The lively atmosphere of this vibrant, growing city mirrors the atmosphere at the Evangelical Lutheran School of Hope. Over 400 students take courses in traditional academic disciplines and participate in a variety of extra curricular activities, such as choir and dance ensembles, sports teams, and scout troops.
The student council is also particularly active at the Evangelical Lutheran School of Hope. The first of its kind in any school in Ramallah, the council works to engage the school in community service projects, help shape the school's policies and environment, coordinate educational events such as visits from local speakers, and plan school celebrations and gatherings.
Many graduates of the Evangelical Lutheran School of Hope continue their education at the nearby Bir Zeit University, where they can study courses in languages, engineering, medicine, and education.
Mission Statement The Evangelical Lutheran School of Hope€ ¦’·an educational institution in Ramallah whose name was adopted from 1 Corinthians 13:13 (€ ¦’³And now abideth faith, hope, and love€ ¦’¥’´) is one of the institutions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land (ELCJHL).
Founded in 1965, the school was nurtured and embraced by people with administrative and educational competencies, who at that time realized the country€ ¦’²s continuing need for knowledge and education.
With no regard to religion, gender, capabilities, or financial/social status, the school aims at serving the whole Palestinian society endeavoring to achieve its mission by spreading religious and national values, such as acceptance, love, civic spirit, forgiveness and openness.
Striving to continue its unique position in Palestinian life, the school has always emphasized curricular and extra-curricular activities that build purposeful relationships with local and international organizations, and provide experiences that will develop effective graduates who excel in their contributions to society.


History Prior to the Arab-Israeli War of 1948, Ramallah was a small, largely Christian village of approximately 6,000 persons located in the hills to the north of Jerusalem. Many of Ramallah€ ¦’²s families emigrated prior to or during the war, and refugees from throughout Palestine poured into the city in the war€ ¦’²s aftermath. By 1953, the town€ ¦’²s population had doubled.
Lutherans from the Bethlehem region, along with refugees now residing in Ramallah, petitioned the heads of churches in Jerusalem to establish a Lutheran congregation in the city to serve the changing population. The Evangelical Lutheran Church of Hope began in 1954. The church building was completed in 1963, and the congregation immediately made plans to open a school.
In the fall of 1966, the Evangelical Lutheran School of Hope was opened as a kindergarten with just ten students and two teachers in the lower level of the church building. Rev. Basim Nijim, then pastor of the congregation, served as the school€ ¦’²s first principal from 1966 to 1982; he divided his time between the church and school. Under Pastor Nijim€ ¦’²s leadership, the school systematically added one grade level per year, graduating its first class in the spring of 1979.
The first two levels of the school building were constructed in 1976, with a third level added in 1982 and a partial fourth level in 2000. Today the Evangelical Lutheran School of Hope continues as a K-12 school, enrolling approximately 400 students. The twenty-fifth class of students graduated from the school in 2004.
Contact Information Principal Mikhai Abu Ghazaleh
School Email: hope@schoolofhope. sch.ps
Telephone: +972-2-295-3977
Fax: +972-2-298-7952

http://www.elcjhl. org/ed/schools/ hope/hope. asp
 
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Christian Zionist are pushing for war with Iran and Syria. I just do not understand this mind set from a 'Christian' point of view.

This from and Israeli paper
ANALYSIS: The clear loser from Ahmadinejad's visit is Israel
In his speech at Columbia University, the Iranian President used the podium to single out Israel and Zionism.
http://www.haaretz. com/hasen/ pages/ShArt. jhtml?itemNo= 906890&contrassID=1&subContrassID= 1
 
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Christian Zionist are pushing for war with Iran and Syria. I just do not understand this mind set from a 'Christian' point of view.

This from and Israeli paper
ANALYSIS: The clear loser from Ahmadinejad's visit is Israel
In his speech at Columbia University, the Iranian President used the podium to single out Israel and Zionism.
http://www.haaretz. com/hasen/ pages/ShArt. jhtml?itemNo= 906890&contrassID=1&subContrassID= 1

Um because Christians and Jews are humans even though Armadinijad said they are not.
Never the less war in some cases is necssary.
So the Iraninan people need to revolt and remove their President and Iatola before we have to.
If they dont their leaders will bring the suffering of war upon them.
 
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Um because Christians and Jews are humans even though Armadinijad said they are not.
Never the less war in some cases is necssary.
So the Iraninan people need to revolt and remove their President and Iatola before we have to.
If they dont their leaders will bring the suffering of war upon them.

I have never read were Armadinijad said Christians are not human.

I have read that the Jews spit on Christions in its-real-lie. I have heard the word they use for non Jews really means Cattle?

The Joyous Harvest

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3480


http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/jewish/cross-hate.html

Five Years in Prison for ‘Proselytizing’ in Israel
Although it remains legal in Israel for a Christian to talk with an Israeli about Christ, Israel’s anti-missionary law, conspicuously passed during Christmas week on Dec. 27, 1977, makes it a crime punishable by up to 5 years in prison to attempt to convert an Israeli to Christianity by use of any material inducement. If a Christian gives even a gospel leaflet to an Israeli, he violates this law. Also, if the Israeli converts to Christianity after receiving the leaflet he himself could face 3 years in prison. 3
“During the June war of 1967, Israeli forces opened the church of the Holy Sepulchre to Jews who poured into the holiest place in Christendom, indecently dressed, joking and pouring Pharisaic hate and insults against Christianity and against Jesus Christ inside the Holy Sepulcher and next to the tomb of Jesus Christ.” 5
During the first half of the 20th century, Palestine, like modern Lebanon, was home to many Christians. In 1945, 20 percent were Christians. But in 1948, 100,000 terrorized Christian Palestinians fled the Israelis into neighboring countries; many would spend the rest of their lives in detention camps. Today only 2 percent of Israelis are Christians. 6
Beckford (Feb. 6, '06): "The congregation meets on Saturdays and the parishioners need to go through a gauntlet of curses from 40 or more Haridim standing in front of the entrance. All through the service, screams, chants and curses can be heard from outside."
"We have been told that we are animals without souls (Talmud teaches that) and threatened with being carried out of Arad in coffins, or shot, or dozens of other threats."
"They vandalize our property-- they attack our people-- they burned our chess club (only visible reminder that there are Christians in Arad and the only place to get a Bible in Arad)."
"They stormed into a congregation in Beersheva, during the service and wrecked the place and threw the pastor into the baptismal and they did about $2000 worth of damage."
"The police are refusing to take our calls. They are afraid of the Haridim."
"[There is] very intense persecution of Messianic Jews in the southern-Israel city of Arad by a large group of Haredi Jews called the Gur Hassidim."
"They now randomly attack believers in the streets wherever they recognize them, in some cases shouting at a single mother with her little girl who is under 5 years, "Dirty Christian, you filthy Christian!" and to the girl they shout, "Your mother is a harlot!"
 
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I knpw the scripture that speeks of the seed singular and many that speek of the Abrahamic promse of the land pluraly.

Now we know the Bible does not contradict itself so..
either there are 2 seperate everlasting covenants.

One for The plural offspring and one for the single offspring.

So I believe Vhristians will after resirrection be in the promise land Revelations 21 speaks of.

By I know also that the Jews were Gods cjosen people and have the land right now. Because he did not promise them part of the second SEPERATE covenant
because of what Abraham did. The second covenant being a covenant promising eternal life.

The first and still in force covenant God is keeping with a specific Genetic plural seed and proving his mighty power By miraculously keeping his previous chosen people back in their land against the wishes of most of the world.

Israel and it people are Gods Chosen people and nation.

Edom, Esau sons or just call them the Khazar's are not Gods chosen people and they it does appear are the rulers of its-real-lie right now.

Your post is strange and I do not understand what you are getting at?

I can't spell that great so I use a spell check. It sometimes messes me up but most the time we work together ok. Maybe you should try this?

9:12 And the "I AM" said unto me, Arise, get thee down quickly from hence; for thy people which thou hast brought forth out of Egypt have corrupted [themselves]; they are quickly turned aside out of The Way which I commanded them; they have made them a molten image.
9:16 And I looked, and, behold, ye had sinned against the "I AM" your God, [and] had made you a molten calf: ye had turned aside quickly out of The Way which the "I AM" had commanded you.

11:27 A blessing, if ye obey The Commandments of the "I AM" your God, which I command you this day:
11:28 And a curse, if ye will NOT obey The Commandments of the "I AM" your God, but turn aside out of The Way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from The Way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the "I AM", to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.


Jesus said, "I am The Way, the Truth and the Life" and "no man comes to the Father except by me."

The Way is the Law of God.

Matthew 12:30 He that is not WITH me is AGAINST me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

If people do not follow The Way and preach against it they "scattereth abroad".

One cannot be a follower of Christ and fight against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places and win
unless you follow the Covenant.

One can not "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY:" and not Follow His Way "The Covenant" (The Way).

Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, [SIZE=+1]The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:[SIZE=+1]
12:30 [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
 
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I have never read were Armadinijad said Christians are not human.

I have read that the Jews spit on Christions in its-real-lie. I have heard the word they use for non Jews really means Cattle?

The Joyous Harvest

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/3480


http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/jewish/cross-hate.html

Five Years in Prison for ‘Proselytizing’ in Israel
Although it remains legal in Israel for a Christian to talk with an Israeli about Christ, Israel’s anti-missionary law, conspicuously passed during Christmas week on Dec. 27, 1977, makes it a crime punishable by up to 5 years in prison to attempt to convert an Israeli to Christianity by use of any material inducement. If a Christian gives even a gospel leaflet to an Israeli, he violates this law. Also, if the Israeli converts to Christianity after receiving the leaflet he himself could face 3 years in prison. 3
“During the June war of 1967, Israeli forces opened the church of the Holy Sepulchre to Jews who poured into the holiest place in Christendom, indecently dressed, joking and pouring Pharisaic hate and insults against Christianity and against Jesus Christ inside the Holy Sepulcher and next to the tomb of Jesus Christ.” 5
During the first half of the 20th century, Palestine, like modern Lebanon, was home to many Christians. In 1945, 20 percent were Christians. But in 1948, 100,000 terrorized Christian Palestinians fled the Israelis into neighboring countries; many would spend the rest of their lives in detention camps. Today only 2 percent of Israelis are Christians. 6
Beckford (Feb. 6, '06): "The congregation meets on Saturdays and the parishioners need to go through a gauntlet of curses from 40 or more Haridim standing in front of the entrance. All through the service, screams, chants and curses can be heard from outside."
"We have been told that we are animals without souls (Talmud teaches that) and threatened with being carried out of Arad in coffins, or shot, or dozens of other threats."
"They vandalize our property-- they attack our people-- they burned our chess club (only visible reminder that there are Christians in Arad and the only place to get a Bible in Arad)."
"They stormed into a congregation in Beersheva, during the service and wrecked the place and threw the pastor into the baptismal and they did about $2000 worth of damage."
"The police are refusing to take our calls. They are afraid of the Haridim."
"[There is] very intense persecution of Messianic Jews in the southern-Israel city of Arad by a large group of Haredi Jews called the Gur Hassidim."
"They now randomly attack believers in the streets wherever they recognize them, in some cases shouting at a single mother with her little girl who is under 5 years, "Dirty Christian, you filthy Christian!" and to the girl they shout, "Your mother is a harlot!"

If you had watched the video completely you would have heard Armadinijad question whether or not they are Human form his own lips.:doh:
 
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LLWHA you are right spell check would help ...LOl
But I think when I have a typo here and there people understand.

1. Jacob's descendants would regain control of Israel
Bible passage: Amos 9:14-15
Written: about 750 BC
Fulfilled: Since 1948
In Amos 9:14-15, the prophet said that there would come a time when the exiles of Israel would again have Israel as their own land and that they would never be uprooted again. Amos lived about 2700 years ago, during a time when the people of Israel were being forced out of their homeland by a succession of foreign invasions. Despite many centuries of exile, many Jews returned to Israel and reclaimed sovereignty over a portion of their ancient homeland. This declaration of independence, in 1948, triggered a war with the surrounding countries, which objected to the presence of a Jewish state. On May 15, 1948, the day that armies from the surrounding countries invaded, Azzam Pasha, the Secretary General of the Arab League, said "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." Similar quotes were uttered by others during the war of 1948-49 and during the two major wars that followed. Despite its tiny size, Israel prevailed in these wars, preventing its people from being uprooted again, as they had been in ancient times.
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Amos 9:14-15
I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them," says the Lord your God.

2. Israel would be brought back to life
Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:10-14
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948
In Ezekiel 37:10-14, the prophet receives a vision in which Israel was seen as a scattering of dried-up bones. In this vision, God tells Ezekiel that the bones (Israel) would be brought back to life. Just as Ezekiel had prophesized about 2600 years ago, the Jews were brought back to the land, and the country of Israel was brought back to life. Israel re-established sovereignty in 1948, a mere three years after the end of the Holocaust, during which the Nazis killed about one-third of the world's Jewish population.
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Ezekiel 37:10-14
So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet--a vast army. Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, `Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Therefore prophesy and say to them: `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.'"

3. Isaiah spoke of a Israel being reborn in one day
Bible passage: Isaiah 66:7-8
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: 1948
In Isaiah 66:7-8, the prophet foreshadowed the re-birth of Israel in 1948. Isaiah describes a woman giving birth before going into labor, and he speaks of a country being born in one day. This accurately describes what happened on May 14, 1948 - when the Jews declared independence for Israel as a united and sovereign nation for the first time in 2900 years.

During that same day, the United States issued a statement recognizing Israel's sovereignty. And, only hours beforehand, a United Nations mandate expired, ending British control of the land. During a 24-hour span of time, foreign control of the land of Israel had formally ceased, and Israel had declared its independence, and its independence was acknowledged by other nations. Modern Israel was literally was born in a single day.

Isaiah said the birth would take place before there would be labor pains. And that too is precisely what happened. A movement called Zionism began in the 1800s to encourage Jews worldwide to move to Israel, which at that time was called Palestine. Within hours of the declaration of independence in 1948, Israel was attacked by the surrounding countries of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

When reading Isaiah 66:7-8, keep in mind that Israel's status as a sovereign nation was established and reaffirmed during the course of a single day, and that it was born of a movement called Zionism, and that its declaration of independence was not the result of a war but rather the cause of one.
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Isaiah 66:7-8
"Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children."

4. Israel would be re-established as a united nation
Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:21-22
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948
In Ezekiel 37:21-22, the prophet said that God would one day bring the people of Israel back to Israel, as a united nation. This might have been a shock for Ezekiel. He lived about 2600 years ago. At that time, the people of Israel had already divided themselves into two separate kingdoms. And, both kingdoms had been conquered by foreign invaders, who forced many of the people, including Ezekiel, into exile. But, when Jews reclaimed sovereignty in 1948, they did so as a united people, creating one nation - Israel.
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Ezekiel 37:21-22
and say to them, `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.

5. The second Israel would be more impressive than the first
Bible passage: Jeremiah 16:14-15
Written: sometime from 626 to about 586 BC
Fulfilled: 1948
In Jeremiah 16:14-15, the prophet said the second Israel would be more impressive than the first. In many regards, it is. The first time that Israel was established as a country was after Moses led the descendants of Jacob (typically referred to today as Jews) out of Egypt, where they had been enslaved for 400 years. They then conquered Canaan and established Israel about 3400 years ago. But the second time that Israel was established was after the Jews had been scattered far and wide for a few thousand years. This time the Jews had to return from as far away as the United States, China, Russia and South Africa.
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Jeremiah 16:14-15
"However, the days are coming," declares the Lord, "when men will no longer say, 'As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, 'As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.

6. Ezekiel predicted when Israel would be re-established
Bible passage: Ezekiel 4:3-6
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948
In Ezekiel 4:3-6, the prophet said the Jews, who had lost control of their homeland, would be punished for 430 years. This prophecy, according to Bible scholar Grant Jeffrey, pinpointed the 1948 rebirth of Israel. Here's a summary of Jeffrey's theory:

1. Ezekiel said the Jews were to be punished for 430 years because they had turned away from God. As part of the punishment, the Jews lost control of their homeland to Babylon. Many Jews were taken as captives to Babylon.

2. Babylon was later conquered by Cyrus in 539 BC. Cyrus allowed the Jews to leave Babylon and to return to their homeland. But, only a small number returned. The return had taken place sometime around 536 BC, about 70 years after Judah lost independence to Babylon.

3. Because most of the exiles chose to stay in pagan Babylon rather than return to the Holy Land, the remaining 360 years of their punishment was multiplied by 7. The reason is explained in Bible's book of Leviticus. (Leviticus 26:18, 26:21, 26:24 and 26:28). In Leviticus, it says that if the people did not repent while being punished, the punishment would be multiplied by 7. And, by staying in pagan Babylon, most exiles were refusing to repent.

4. So, if you take the remaining 360 years of punishment and multiply by 7, you get 2,520 years. But, Jeffrey says those years are based on an ancient 360-day lunar calendar. If those years are adjusted to the modern solar calendar, the result is 2,484 years.

5. And, there were exactly 2,484 years from 536 BC to 1948, which is the year that Israel regained independence.
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Ezekiel 4:3-6
(In this Bible passage, Ezekiel is asked by God to symbolically act out the 430 years of punishment)
… Then take an iron pan, place it as an iron wall between you and the city and turn your face toward it. It will be under siege, and you shall besiege it. This will be a sign to the house of Israel. "Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the house of Israel upon yourself. You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the house of Israel. "After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the house of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year.

7. The people of Israel would return to "their own land"
Bible passage: Ezekiel 34:13
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: after May 14, 1948
In Ezekiel 34:13, the prophet said that God would gather the people of Israel scattered throughout the world and bring them back to "their own land." After many centuries of dispersion, hundreds of thousands of Jews returned to their ancient homeland beginning in the late 1800s. But, millions more returned after Israel declared independence in 1948. In other words, millions of exiles returned to their ancient homeland which was now truly "their own land" in the sense that it was now a sovereign Jewish state.
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Ezekiel 34:13
I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.

8. God would watch over the people of Israel
Bible passage: Jeremiah 31:10
Written: sometime from 626 to about 586 BC
Fulfilled: 1948, etc.
In Jeremiah 31:10, the prophet said that God would one day gather the Jews back to Israel and that He would watch over them like a shepherd. Believe what you wish, but there is evidence that God indeed has watched over the re-established nation of Israel. Hours after Israel declared independence in 1948, the surrounding countries attacked, hoping to replace the Jewish state with an Arab state. These countries are much larger than Israel. But tiny Israel prevailed in that war and was able to capture additional land, increasing the land size of Israel by 50 percent. Israel also prevailed in the two other major wars that followed.
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Jeremiah 31:10
"Hear the word of the Lord, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: 'He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.'

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9. Israel's army would be disproportionately powerful
Bible passage: Leviticus 26:3, 7-8
Written: perhaps around 1400 BC
Fulfilled: 1948-49, 1967, etc.
In Leviticus 26:3, 7-8, the Bible says that the army of Israel would have a supernatural power to prevail during times of conflict, if the people are obedient to the Lord. This Bible passage says that 5 people would be able to chase away 100 people, and that 100 would be able to chase away 10,000. Is there any proof to this incredible claim? Judge for yourself:

Example 1: Within hours of Israel's declaration of independence in 1948, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon invaded Israel. The combined population of those countries was at least 20 million at that time. Israel had fewer than 1 million Jews. Even so, the Jews won the war and expanded the size of Israel by 50 percent.

Example 2: During the War of 1967, Israel attacked the air force bases of the surrounding countries and took control of Jerusalem for the first time in about 2000 years. They also seized additional territory. That war lasted a mere 6 days.

Example 3: On Oct. 6, 1973, Israel was attacked by Egypt and Syria. Other countries later joined the attack. But the Jews were able to push back the attacking armies and occupy land outside of Israel's borders.
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Leviticus 26:3, 7-8

"If you follow my decrees and are careful to obey my commands, … You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you."

10. The fortunes of the people of Israel would be restored
Bible passage: Deuteronomy 30:3-5
Written: perhaps 1400 BC
Fulfilled: 1948, etc.
In Deuteronomy 30:3-5, the Bible said the Jews would be scattered worldwide and that they later would return to their homeland and have their fortunes restored. This prophecy began to be fulfilled in modern times during the late 1800s when many Jews returned to Israel, from as far away as China and the United States, Russia and South Africa. Israel declared independence in 1948. Today, Israel is among the world's most prosperous countries. In 1999, for example, Israel's per capita Gross Domestic Product was twice as prosperous than the neighboring countries.
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Deuteronomy 30:3-5

then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.
 
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You are going on about Israel.

This is about ISRAEL. There were no people even called Jews in these days. The First Five Books in The Bible are about ISRAEL. Gods Holy Nation!!

Not some people called Jews there were not even a people called Jews in these days.


Deut 30:3 That then the "I AM" thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, where the "I AM" thy God hath scattered thee.
30:4 If [any] of thine be driven out unto the outmost [parts] of heaven, from there will the "I AM" thy God gather thee, and from there will He fetch thee:
30:5 And the "I AM" thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and He will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.


The House of Judah or The House of Edom are not the House of Israel.

Its-real-lie is run by Khazar's!! I do assume they are the sons of Esau you know Israel's brother that tried to KILL (him) Israel. That Guy and people (Edom) that God HATES. You know those that say they are Jews but are not Jews and do LIE. Rev. 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] (Idumeans) the synagogue of Satan.


There are a few real Hebrews of the House of Judah living in this its-real-Lie with these Khazar's.

Some of your post is right, I do believe. I'm not going to tare into your posts now.
 
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