Have the locusts from Rev 9 already been loosed?

[5thKingdom]

Did God make His servants' mouths on fire literally? And they spew fire on people and destroy them literally? Can you find an actual incident recorded in Bible? Of course, it did not occur the way you think if you have a carnal mind.

Erik,

Would you be so good as to respond to post #150?
Thank you

Jim

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[5thKingdom]

The SMOKE of the locusts is the POWER of Satan from the pit that blocks the sun (light of the congregation) and the air (spirit of the church) being made DARKENED!

Erik,

Would you be so kind as to respond to Post #150
Thanks

Jim

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[TribulationSigns]

how would me asking you a question regarding your interpretation be me mocking GODs word?
asked a question, been studying scripture since august of Last year,
seems being attacked for asking questions is a common thing on here,
not very edifying to say the least.

I'll Forgive you.


May The LORD Bless You and Keep You


Shalom aleichem

I see that you can’t answer the first three questions. Interesting.

 

[Lost Witness]

I see that you can’t answer the first three questions. Can’t gainsay or resist unless one have spiritual discerned. Got it.

The '2' Witnesses will Die in Jerusalem as it's Written In Scripture.

 

[Derf]

Really?
You have not seen anything to prove the Last Saints are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation (Fourth Beast/Revelation Beast)/
Here is your Biblical validation of that:


Dan 7:21-22
I beheld, and the same horn made war with THE SAINTS, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Do you now submit to the Word of God and acknowledge the Saints of the Fourth Beast/Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast
are ALIVE until the "Ancient of Days Came"?

Are you saying the "last Saints" are alive or are not alive during the Great Tribulation? I'm having trouble understanding what your point is. If you are trying to show the last saints ARE alive during the great trib, of course, anyone that can die would be alive during some of it, but those that die are no longer alive. So not all of the last saints are alive.

LOL... I assume you agree with 1 Co 15 that the Last Saints are "changed" at the Lord's Return
and yet you remain in darkness about the Biblical FACT the Last Saints are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation
BEFORE the Lord Returns.


This is called "harmony of Scripture"
we cannot pretend to have Truth when we do not have "harmony of Scripture"

What is called "harmony of scripture"? What you did there, quoting 1 Cor 15? No, that's an attempt at harmony of scripture, but even you would have to admit quoting a single passage by its very nature does nothing to establish "harmony of scripture", since "harmony" requires multiple sources.

BTW... it is not a false appeal to authority to SHOW YOU THE TRUTH
If something I have said contradicts ONE VERSE of Scripture - then show that verse
When you cannot REFUTE anything I say then you act as a fool when you pretend it's MY doctrine
instead of the Gospel.

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It's hard to refute anything you say when you offer little more than an opinion about what something means to "establish" it. No refutation of your opinion is necessary.

 

[Derf]

First, the two witnesses of Revelation 11 are NOT literally two men, two olive trees, or two covenants as most believe. They represent God's Holy people, the eternal indivisible Church who is faithful and elect.

There are multiple ways to "represent" something. Here in America we have "representative" government, where actual people represent the rest of the people from a locale. For instance, we all have 2 senators who represent us in the US Senate. What you are saying, I think, is that it is NOT that kind of representation, but a figurative symbol. That's fine to consider, but just considering it doesn't make it the true interpretation.

It is through "THIS" Church that God will show forth His judgment and prophecy. Per Revelation 11:4, God gave power to these two witnesses to prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days in mourning. This is a symbolic picture of the indivisible Church as it has been given the power to testify for this length of time. Moreover, so that there is no confusion about these being literally two men, God also enlightens us that these are the two olive trees and two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And that word standing is again the Greek word [histemi] illustrating they are able to stand with God by the support of Christ. They 'stand' before God and give assent to His will, His Word, and His purpose, because they are made righteous in Christ. We have our consistent and Biblical understanding of this imagery. These witnesses are a representation of God's Church, and specifically in this context, God's 'true Church' not the external covenant Church. They are those who are 'standing before the God of the earth,' importing that they were strengthened in Christ, faithful messengers who adhere to His cause and testimonies.

Ok. I'll let that stand for now.

Second, the Great City is not physical Jerusalem but is a representation of the Church, which is the city of the great king. It is not the indivisible city itself, but the external Covenant Church is the earthly representation of the city of peace. This is the church where the true church (Two Witnesses) of God dwelled, and prophesied, Matthew 5:35, Galatians 4:26, Revelation 21:10. All believers are residents of "that great city" Jerusalem, and the external covenant church is the earthly representation of that Holy City. That is why you need to read Revelation 11:1-2 to find out why the court which is without the temple represents the external covenant church made up of professed Christians who will be handed over to Satan to be deceived when God judges her. This court is why the city has become SPIRITUALLY Sodom and Egypt.

And yet, that doesn't comport with the other comparison, "where our Lord was crucified", since that church wasn't in existence yet, since the Holy Spirit had not been given at Pentecost when Jesus was crucified. Therefore it seems likely that the Jerusalem spoken of here is NOT the church.

The Church is the earthly representation of this city, and that is why Jerusalem is used as a sign, figure or token of this spiritual Jerusalem. The believers being dead or lifeless in the streets [plateia] or wide space of this great city signifies their state in the midst of the Church. The witness of God is no longer tolerated there and the power that these had to preach the Word of God there has been taken from them. They have been overcome and silenced by the beast released from the pit by God. This does not affect their Salvation of course, and that is why Revelation chapter seven says they all had to be sealed first. But the beast affects their witness or testimony in the Churches. They cannot effectively preach in the external covenant Church anymore because the spirit of Satan is ruling there, and the leaders have departed from the faith unto doctrines of devils. This is why God says of this great city that, it is 'spiritually' called Sodom and Egypt. Because though the external Church still retains the name of Christ, spiritually speaking it has become as these two cities which were infamous for their abominations and bondage to Satan. When God's people turn from God and forsake His laws, God speaks of them in the spiritual sense as being in the bondage of Egypt and in the abominations of Sodom.

But He doesn't speak of them as the city "where our Lord was crucified". That tie in can only speak of either the actual city of Jerusalem in Jesus' day, or possibly the Jewish religious system in Jesus' day. The church, apostate or not, doesn't fit that description.

And God makes sure that we understand its relationship to this end-time event as He informs us that where the body of Christ (two Witnesses) is killed, is where our Lord was Crucified (Revelation 11:8). This is because the Church is intimately identified with the body of Christ as He is the Temple of God in which we live and breathe and have our being. We indeed are the Body of Christ. When they kill the two witnesses, they have in effect crucified Christ afresh. For inasmuch as they do it to Christ's Church, they do it unto Christ.

That would be "by whom" not "where". But who is it that is being addressed in the passage about crucifying Christ afresh? Isn't it in Hebrews? Isn't the book of Hebrews written to...the Hebrews? So now you've provided another tie-in back to the Jews in Jesus' day and shortly thereafter, when that old Jerusalem--where our Lord was crucified--was still standing.

The overview of Revelation 11:8 is that God is illustrating that when the true witness of the Church is destroyed, the true believers who abide by God's law cannot by the Spirit of God teach the truth in the Church anymore. The spirit of Christ and that of satan cannot dwell together. The language of their dead bodies lying in the street where our Lord was Crucified, which is spiritual as Sodom and Egypt, is signifying Jerusalem. Sodom and Egypt illustrate that the city or Church has become abominable and lawless, and a house of bondage and persecution. It is full of abomination which shall leave this house desolate. It is no coincidence that God spoke of Old Testament Jerusalem (after they Killed Christ) as a house of bondage and as a city left desolate. And He gives the very same scenario of them having come against the Lord's servants and Christ.

Not just "after they killed Christ", but also "where they killed Christ". Just because it's the same scenario doesn't mean you get to put different words in there to fit your doctrine better.

Matthew 23:37-38

• "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
• Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."

Galatians 4:25

• "For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children."

As the fall of the Old Testament external congregation (symbolized by Jerusalem) was, so is the fall of this New Testament external congregation. It is a city that is in spiritual bondage like Egypt, and which has abomination stand in it as Sodom. It is a city that has the blood of the body of Christ, the servants of God, on their hands. This is just as Old Testament Jerusalem did! This verse is picturing the external covenant city of God where the body of Christ lies silenced and unloved. These are parallels inspired by God.

Well, it's not "THE city that has the blood of Christ and His servants on their hands". That's my point, which you have acknowledged by using "A city".

Therefore, Revelation 11 has nothing to do with 70AD or futurist physical Jerusalem where some people believe there will be two men with superpowers that literally spew fires on people. Please...leave this to the imagination of Hollywood.

Believe me, there is more than Hollywood pushing the view you have described--many churches cling to such an interpretation. I agree there's more to be gleaned from it than literal spewing of fire. But that's why I'm curious about this subject (as represented by the locust question in my OP)--which parts are literal, and which parts are figurative? Are the plagues literal?
[Revelation 11:6 KJV] These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

If the plagues are NOT literal, what do they mean? Is the true church merely speaking words that make people feel sick, or make people see blood (get angry, perhaps), but there's no water really turning to blood? If we are to understand this verse by looking back in scripture for a comparison, then we have literal water turning to blood and literal drought and literal plagues. Why wouldn't we compare with that instead of with something less similar?

 

[Derf]

Obviously, the men that have not the seal of God in their foreheads, the ones the locusts torment for 5 months, if anyone has the spirit of antichrist it would be these that don't have the seal of God in their forehead. Which then would equal men with the spirit of antichrist tormenting men with the spirit of antichrist. Which of course doesn't make sense since the text indicates they torment the men which have not the seal of God in their forehead, which logically means that if these locusts represent men with the spirit of antichrist, they obviously don't have the seal of God in their forehead, therefore, they should be tormenting themselves as well. The way to make this nonsensical interpretation of yours go away, the locusts are not meaning humans to begin with. Now it doesn't matter about having or not having the seal of God in one's forehead, since that would only be relevant to humans, not demons or whatever else these locusts might be meaning.

Wouldn't it be the same problem if the locusts represent demons that torment those that follow the Antichrist? Wouldn't that be Satan's kingdom divided against itself? Perhaps it is God allowing Satan's minions to torment humans, which he hates, but so that some will turn to God (they don't start with the Spirit of God, but they are driven there by fear and torment, perhaps).

 

[5thKingdom]

Are you saying the "last Saints" are alive or are not alive during the Great Tribulation? I'm having trouble understanding what your point is. If you are trying to show the last saints ARE alive during the great trib,

Here is what I wrote (below).
WHY on earth are you having trouble understanding the point
when I made it clear the POINT is the Last Saint are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation [see Dan 7:21-22 again]
in fact the Last Saints are CHANGED without dying [see 1 Co 15 again]

Can you not comprehend simple English?
Or only MY words?


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Really?
You have not seen anything to prove the Last Saints are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation (Fourth Beast/Revelation Beast)/
Here is your Biblical validation of that:


Dan 7:21-22
I beheld, and the same horn made war with THE SAINTS, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Do you now submit to the Word of God and acknowledge the Saints of the Fourth Beast/Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast
are ALIVE until the "Ancient of Days Came"?


LOL... I assume you agree with 1 Co 15 that the Last Saints are "changed" at the Lord's Return
and yet you remain in darkness about the Biblical FACT the Last Saints are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation
BEFORE the Lord Returns.

of course, anyone that can die would be alive during some of it, but those that die are no longer alive. So not all of the last saints are alive.

WHY do you think some of the Saints are alive for PART of the Great Tribulation
and then Die?

Do you have Scripture teaching that... or is it just your imagination?

What is called "harmony of scripture"? What you did there, quoting 1 Cor 15? No, that's an attempt at harmony of scripture,

When I show passages in Daniel HARMONIZE with passages in 1 Co...
that is called "harmony of Scripture"
Is this "news" to you?

It's hard to refute anything you say when you offer little more than an opinion about what something means to "establish" it. No refutation of your opinion is necessary.

I have not offered any opinion

I offered TWO SCRIPTURES teaching the Last Saints are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation
You decided to INTENTIONALLY IGNORE those passages and pretend they were my opinion
That is very sad.

Whenever you IGNORE the Word of God you are REJECTING the Word of God.
YOU sir are REJECTING the Word of God and PRETENDING you only reject my words.
But that is just you pretending

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[5thKingdom]

Wouldn't it be the same problem if the locusts represent demons that torment those that follow the Antichrist?

LOL
the demons and the those following the Anti-Christ... are on the SAME TEAM

Your level of understanding is just amazing

The Bible PICTURES the locusts as Believers.
Whether you want to understand that Truth or not.

Wouldn't that be Satan's kingdom divided against itself? Perhaps it is God allowing Satan's minions to torment humans, which he hates, but so that some will turn to God (they don't start with the Spirit of God, but they are driven there by fear and torment, perhaps).

Right... Satan and his demons get people saved...
AFTER salvation is FINISHED (before the Great Tribulation begins)
Rev 7:1-3 PROVES that fact

Just amazing


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[Derf]

Here is what I wrote (below).
WHY on earth are you having trouble understanding the point
when I made it clear

Your idea of clarity is a bit murky to me.

the POINT is the Last Saint are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation [see Dan 7:21-22 again]
in fact the Last Saints are CHANGED without dying [see 1 Co 15 again]

Then you define the last saints as those that haven't died at Christ's coming. Fine. The two witnesses can't be those, because they died, according to scripture.

Can you not comprehend simple English?
Or only MY words?

Definitely YOUR words.

--------------- REPOSTED---------------


Really?
You have not seen anything to prove the Last Saints are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation (Fourth Beast/Revelation Beast)/
Here is your Biblical validation of that:


Dan 7:21-22
I beheld, and the same horn made war with THE SAINTS, and prevailed against them;

These saints that are prevailed against must not be the last saints, because prevailing would include killing them.

Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Do you now submit to the Word of God and acknowledge the Saints of the Fourth Beast/Great Tribulation/Revelation Beast
are ALIVE until the "Ancient of Days Came"?

Nothing in what you've quoted says that all the saints of that time period survive until Christ comes.

LOL... I assume you agree with 1 Co 15 that the Last Saints are "changed" at the Lord's Return
and yet you remain in darkness about the Biblical FACT the Last Saints are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation
BEFORE the Lord Returns.

The ones that are alive, yes.

WHY do you think some of the Saints are alive for PART of the Great Tribulation
and then Die?

Revelation 16:6 KJV — For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Revelation 17:6 KJV — And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18:24 KJV — And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Revelation 6:9 KJV — And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Do you have Scripture teaching that... or is it just your imagination?






When I show passages in Daniel HARMONIZE with passages in 1 Co...
that is called "harmony of Scripture"
Is this "news" to you?





I have not offered any opinion

That's your opinion.

I offered TWO SCRIPTURES teaching the Last Saints are ALIVE during the Great Tribulation
You decided to INTENTIONALLY IGNORE those passages and pretend they were my opinion
That is very sad.

Some saints, not all.

Whenever you IGNORE the Word of God you are REJECTING the Word of God.
YOU sir are REJECTING the Word of God and PRETENDING you only reject my words.
But that is just you pretending

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When you claim I'm rejecting the word of God, when I'm merely questioning your view, you place your view of scripture on the same level as God's word. That's a dangerously prideful position to take, brother.

 

[5thKingdom]

When you claim I'm rejecting the word of God, when I'm merely questioning your view, you place your view of scripture on the same level as God's word. That's a dangerously prideful position to take, brother.

NO, you are not questioning my view...
if that were the case you could/would show an alternative understanding of the text.


You did not do that
You simply IGNORED the text
That is REJECTING the text... that is REJECTING the Word of God


I realize it's uncomfortable REJECTING the Word of God
that is why you must intentionally ignore passage you don't like
This is a very common practice - the most common practice in Bible Study
because MOST Bible Study results in false doctrines.


So you can continue to pretend you are not REJECTING God's Word
but as long are you intentionally ignore Scriptures... you are REJECTING those Scriptures (not my words)

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[Derf]

NO, you are not questioning my view...
if that were the case you could/would show an alternative understanding of the text.


You did not do that
You simply IGNORED the text
That is REJECTING the text... that is REJECTING the Word of God


I realize it's uncomfortable REJECTING the Word of God
that is why you must intentionally ignore passage you don't like
This is a very common practice - the most common practice in Bible Study
because MOST Bible Study results in false doctrines.


So you can continue to pretend you are not REJECTING God's Word
but as long are you intentionally ignore Scriptures... you are REJECTING those Scriptures (not my words)

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When I've used scripture, you've ignored it, and this last time, you focused on the part that offended you personally. I can't see that you have anything useful to add to the conversation.

 

[DavidPT]

Your idea of clarity is a bit murky to me.

Then you define the last saints as those that haven't died at Christ's coming. Fine. The two witnesses can't be those, because they died, according to scripture.

Definitely YOUR words.

These saints that are prevailed against must not be the last saints, because prevailing would include killing them.

Nothing in what you've quoted says that all the saints of that time period survive until Christ comes.

The ones that are alive, yes.

Revelation 16:6 KJV — For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Revelation 17:6 KJV — And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Revelation 18:24 KJV — And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Revelation 6:9 KJV — And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:


That's your opinion.

Some saints, not all.

When you claim I'm rejecting the word of God, when I'm merely questioning your view, you place your view of scripture on the same level as God's word. That's a dangerously prideful position to take, brother.

You raise some good points here, meaning your entire post, where I myself agree with those points. Except let's not focus on some of those points, let's only focus on those last 2 sentences at the bottom of your post. Right? You of course already pointed that out in a later post.

 

[Derf]

You raise some good points here, meaning your entire post, where I myself agree with those points. Except let's not focus on some of those points, let's only focus on those last 2 sentences at the bottom of your post. Right? You of course already pointed that out in a later post.

Thanks! Did you have a question or point of discussion about those two sentences?

 

[5thKingdom]

When I've used scripture, you've ignored it, and this last time,

I have not ignored ANY Scripture.
You pretend again


HERE is the Scripture that YOU intentionally ignore
You cannot expect to understand the TRUTH about Daniel's prophecies
when you INTENTIONALLY IGNORE what the Bible PROMISES:


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said,
Go thy way, Daniel: for THE WORDS ARE CLOSED UP AND SEALED TILL THE TIME-OF-THE-END
MANY [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and NONE of the wicked shall understand; BUT THE WISE [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND


Dan 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, SHUT UP THE WORDS, AND SEAL THE BOOK,
EVEN TO THE TIME-OF-THE-END: MANY [Last Saints] shall run to and fro,
and KNOWLEDGE [of the Truth] SHALL BE INCREASED [to the Last Saints]


The Bible PROMISES the TRUTH would remain "sealed" to everyone
until the Last Saints "shall understand"... since you REJECT this PROMISE
you demonstrate you cannot understand... exactly as the Bible PROMISED

You are known by your "fruits" and that includes MORE than your actions,
it also includes your doctrine.

You have a false doctrine and you will ALWAYS have a false doctrine unless/until
you SUBMIT to what the Bible PROMISES
It's as simple as that.

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[5thKingdom]

You raise some good points here, meaning your entire post, where I myself agree with those points. Except let's not focus on some of those points, let's only focus on those last 2 sentences at the bottom of your post. Right? You of course already pointed that out in a later post.

Yes, those points are an OLD interpretation,
that CONTRADICTS what the Bible PROMISED


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said,
Go thy way, Daniel: for THE WORDS ARE CLOSED UP AND SEALED TILL THE TIME-OF-THE-END
MANY [Last Saints] shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly:
and NONE of the wicked shall understand; BUT THE WISE [Last Saints] SHALL UNDERSTAND
[at the Time-of-the-End... and NOT before that time]


Dan 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, SHUT UP THE WORDS, AND SEAL THE BOOK,
EVEN TO THE TIME-OF-THE-END: MANY [Last Saints] shall run to and fro,
and KNOWLEDGE [of the Truth] SHALL BE INCREASED [to the Last Saints]


As long as you pretend the TRUTH could be known before the Last Saints "shall understand"
at the "Time-of-the-End"... you MUST remain in darkness because your false doctrine
DEPENDS on the TRUTH being understood when the Bible PROMISES it was "sealed"


Your eschatology CONTRADICTS what the Bible PROMISES
therefore we know absolutely your eschatology is a false doctrine
It's really as simple as that


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[5thKingdom]

Thanks! Did you have a question or point of discussion about those two sentences?

Yes... let's discuss what the Bible PROMISES remained "sealed".


We will just pretend the Truth that was NOT "closed-up" and "sealed"


We will just pretend we can know the TRUTH
when the Bible PROMISES the opposite


LOL
You contradict the Bible and yet you pretend you can find Truth..
It does not work that way buddy


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[Derf]

Yes... let's discuss what the Bible PROMISES remained "sealed".


We will just pretend the Truth that was NOT "closed-up" and "sealed"


We will just pretend we can know the TRUTH
when the Bible PROMISES the opposite


LOL
You contradict the Bible and yet you pretend you can find Truth..
It does not work that way buddy


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That question wasn't directed at you, and you didn't answer the question I posed to David.

If something was sealed, then it's possible it hasn't been revealed yet to anyone. If so, then your claim to know it is merely presumption on your part--another symptom of arrogance.

 

[Lost Witness]

Did God make His servants' mouths on fire literally? And they spew fire on people and destroy them literally? Can you find an actual incident recorded in Bible? Of course, it did not occur the way you think if you have a carnal mind.

My understanding doesn't limit GOD,
I acknowledge that GODS word never comes back void,
He says, "And if anyone wants to harm them, 'FIRE' flows out of their mouth and 'DEVOURS' their enemies; and so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be 'KILLED' in this way." He said It, I believe it.
Foolishness not to believe GODS word,
Yes it's the Holy Spirit who does these things but I can assure you it will be fire that kills those who wish to harm the LORDS '2' Witnesses

 

[5thKingdom]

My understanding doesn't limit GOD,
I acknowledge that GODS word never comes back void,
He says, "And if anyone wants to harm them, 'FIRE' flows out of their mouth and 'DEVOURS' their enemies; and so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be 'KILLED' in this way." He said It, I believe it.
Foolishness not to believe GODS word,
Yes it's the Holy Spirit who does these things but I can assure you it will be fire that kills those who wish to harm the LORDS '2' Witnesses

LOL...
so you think FIRE comes out to the Saints mouth as they preach the Word.
That is hilarious buddy

BTW, thanks for reporting me to the moderators.
What does that say about you?

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