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Have any of the creationists here done the following?

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My bridge species terminology is meant to reflect the absence of anything becoming something else. Not as in caterpillar to butterfly, but as in a turtle turning into a frog or fish into a snake; let alone from monkey, fish or bird into man.

A transitional form from a turtle to a frog or a bird to a man would falsify evolution. Are you not aware of what the theory predicts?

What would you say if I told you that I rejected the theory of gravity because I've never seen a planet morph into a table? Wouldn't it make you think that I'm rejecting something without knowing anything about it?

Perhaps it would help if you explained in detail exactly how a fossil of a bridge species would look to you.

Peter :)
 
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A transitional form from a turtle to a frog or a bird to a man would falsify evolution.
It might 'falsify' evolution (like it's ever been 'truified' in the first place), but knowing evolutionists, they'd eventually come up with something like Evolution II or Neo-evolution to explain it.

And we'd just start all over.
 
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My bridge species terminology is meant to reflect the absence of anything becoming something else. Not as in caterpillar to butterfly, but as in a turtle turning into a frog or fish into a snake; let alone from monkey, fish or bird into man.
Assume that things do evolve into other things (for the sake of simplicity, we'll not bring cladistics into it just now ;)).

Roughly how many intermediates/how much time should be between a fish and a snake or a monkey and a human? And roughly what properties would the intermediates have?

BTW, you do know that evolution doesn't predict that there should be "bridge species" (by the way, I like that phrase) between any two living groups?

Just checking how much effect that biology course had on you ;)


All are no for me. But I know more than you do on both creation and evolution.
I admire your... confidence in your knowledge, especially in the light of our previous discussions about evolution (ah, fond memories of a thread about bacteria...). If I were half as confident as you, I'd do science the greatest service by staying the h*** away from it.

(Want to try one?)
I'd love to see that. I might even keep my mouth shut and let you play ^_^

*rummages for pop corn*

So, what is the point of your questions?
Trying to assess whether the creationists on board understand what they reject?
 
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My bridge species terminology is meant to reflect the absence of anything becoming something else. Not as in caterpillar to butterfly, but as in a turtle turning into a frog or fish into a snake; let alone from monkey, fish or bird into man.

Ok, well I guess I am a bit disappointed. I thought you'd spent more time on the subject than that indicates.

NObody on gods green earth thinks any of those things, which of course dont , cant happen, and good that you would not believe it. Your reason for not accepting evolution really isnt valid, dont you see? Not if that is what you think.

You can handle the idea of a wolf turning into a peekapoo after a few generations, tho, cant you?

There was a transition from certain types of fish into the early amphibians, tho. For one example. There are all sorts of good sequences to be found.

You might say you dont think a leaf can turn into a flower. And it cant, in one generation. But, you do know that flower petals are leaves, do you not? And you have see plants like the poinsettia, which has a cluster of normal looking leaves for a flower, but they turn red. Other plants ahve more elaborate flowers, but they are all using leaves for the flower petals.

Anyhow...evolution goes in very small steps, not "frog to turtle". And while not every step of the process is recorded in (known) fossils, there is a good assortment of representatives along the way from fish to amphibain to reptile to bird / mammal.
 
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All are no for me. But I know more than you do on both creation and evolution. (Want to try one?)

So, what is the point of your questions?


The point is obvious to the rest of us.



You dont know anything about "creation" of course, because, like the chimera, there is nothing there to know about.

We would, however, love to see you demonstrate what you know about evolution.
 
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We would, however, love to see you demonstrate what you know about evolution.
I know God can --- and has --- turned Acacia arabia into Naja naja and back again --- all in a matter of moments!
 
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It might 'falsify' evolution (like it's ever been 'truified' in the first place), but knowing evolutionists, they'd eventually come up with something like Evolution II or Neo-evolution to explain it.

And we'd just start all over.

As has been noted before, you sure dont know anything about the people who study or understand evolution.

Oh, your bible has never been truified either. just belivafied.

BTW, you did not answer my question a few posts back, after insisting that I answer yours. What is the deal with that?
 
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If your understanding of the matter is lacking, how can you reasonably disagree with it?
It's kind of a long story, but I don't reasonably disagree with it --- I suprareasonably disagree with it.

Or faith is not based on reasoning --- it is based on something much Higher.
1 Corinthians 2:5 said:
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
 
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BTW, you did not answer my question a few posts back, after insisting that I answer yours. What is the deal with that?
I don't want to answer it.
 
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I know God can --- and has --- turned Acacia arabia into Naja naja and back again --- all in a matter of moments!


Right-O! Didnt ask you of course. You going to answer the question that I DID ask you?

"cobra" takes fewer words btw than the latin. Off the top of your head, do you know the latin name for any other snake?
 
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It's kind of a long story, but I don't reasonably disagree with it --- I suprareasonably disagree with it.

Or faith is not based on reasoning --- it is based on something much Higher.
Two questions:
How did you "suprareasoned" that evolution was wrong?

Do you use this "suprareasoning" method for every decision you make?
 
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Right-O! Didnt ask you of course. You going to answer the question that I DID ask you?

"cobra" takes fewer words btw than the latin. Off the top of your head, do you know the latin name for any other snake?
Well, I thought I'd use the Latin terms, since we're talking macroevolution (genus-to-genus).

That way, I can get across the point that God changed one genus to another, and back again.
 
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