Hating on Chickfila...Why??

[sniperelite7]

I have to agree that some of this suffering is brought on by the sin of the homosexual. When I lived in Los Angeles half of West Hollywood was dying from aids. I have to think that this is a consequence of their sin. As Christians we are called to love the homosexual but this does not mean that we condone their actions. I think much of their suffering is a result of their sin.

Ah blaming the victim.

...and I suppose back in the 1800s the suffering of African Americans was because of the sin of Canaan?

..and all the gay teens that commit suicide are doing that because they are gay?

Or perhaps its because christianity has created an environment that railroads them into such tragic ends and circumstances. I mean sure, tell a kid their sinner for who they are, bully them, kick em out of the house, and the church, then make them the target of a national holy crusade on both the political and societal level. Let me know how they turn out?

I think much of their suffering is because of the arrogance of christians. But the sin of pride is strong in the church, they will never admit that their desire to find homosexuals depraved and dysfunctional-has made many of those people depraved and dysfunctional.

 

[Grace51]

Not hateful, just truthful.

truthful?

how is it truthful to state that homosexual deserve to get mistreated?

the same measure we dish out to others will be the same measures we are given.

i hope God hold you that one.

and do you want to know what is really truthful?

and that is the hate coming out you towards the gay community is so obviously

i am impressed you can say it with a straight face that is not the case

but the problem definitely do not lie with them

 

[Grace51]

I don't think there actually are that many that are in favor of homosexual relationship, but many do however feel we are to love and encourage them. Catching bees with honey sotosay.

I believe that Jesus would forgive them of all their past sins if they would simply admit their sin and sin no more irt homosexuality.

true, but they are not the only non believers on this planet.

 

[revrobor]

truthful?

how is it truthful to state that homosexual deserve to get mistreated?

the same measure we dish out to others will be the same measures we are given.

i hope God hold you that one.

and do you want to know what is really truthful?

and that is the hate coming out you towards the gay community is so obviously

i am impressed you can say it with a straight face that is not the case

but the problem definitely do not lie with them

I didn't say homosexuals deserve to be mistreated. And I didn't condemn them God did. If they didn't practice homosexual sex they would not be condemned. And if they weren't homosexuals they wouldn't be suffering the persecution they do and it's not just from Christians. Christians have no business treating homosexuals with anything but love. But you must admit that the homosexual community pushes their anti-God behavior in the face of ALL who oppose that lifestyle.

 

[Grace51]

I didn't say homosexuals deserve to be mistreated. And I didn't condemn them God did. If they didn't practice homosexual sex they would not be condemned. And if they weren't homosexuals they wouldn't be suffering the persecution they do and it's not just from Christians. Christians have no business treating homosexuals with anything but love. But you must admit that the homosexual community pushes their anti-God behavior in the face of ALL who oppose that lifestyle.

God condemn "them" or is it their "behaviors"?

have you forgotten that God is giving them time to repent because He loves them?

if God is given them time to repent, it is not up to you or me to take the whole matter into our hands.

as for pushing their anti God behaviors in the face of ALL?

you mean they are trying to force people like you or me to have sex with people from our own gender?

or is it they just want to be left alone and only pushed back because of the aggressive tatics some of us are adopting?

no one is trying to justifying homosexual behavior is not sin.

but the fact it is the way many Christians chose to handle the situation, ie get in their face that is causing them to push back.

we can certainly make our position clear.

but i'd argue majority of Christians are doing more than that.

 

[Grace51]

I don't think there actually are that many that are in favor of homosexual relationship, but many do however feel we are to love and encourage them. Catching bees with honey sotosay.

no it about about catching bees or honeys or what ever it is .

neither it is about what we feel should be done.

it is what we should be doing, command by God.

Matthew 5:16 - "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."

1 Peter 2:12 - "Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us."


I believe that Jesus would forgive them of all their past sins if they would simply admit their sin and sin no more irt homosexuality.

and how many of us were born to say " oh, great, the gospel sounds fantastic, i'll sigh up right now" the very first time we came into contact with the gospel.

many Christians (generally speaking) seem to want to use the fact they are not repenting yet to condemn them, yet they are forgetting that there was a time when they themselves are resistant to the gospel, yet God was merciful and loving with them , gave them time and never give up reaching out to them, even if it means they rejected Him in the first 100+ times or so.

is it not interesting so many Christians, once they are saved, automatically turn around and doing something completely diff to the gay community.

God gave us mercy in hope that we'll turn around and extends it to others.

think about it.

 

[revrobor]

God condemn "them" or is it their "behaviors"?

have you forgotten that God is giving them time to repent because He loves them?

if God is given them time to repent, it is not up to you or me to take the whole matter into our hands.

as for pushing their anti God behaviors in the face of ALL?

you mean they are trying to force people like you or me to have sex with people from our own gender?

or is it they just want to be left alone and only pushed back because of the aggressive tatics some of us are adopting?

no one is trying to justifying homosexual behavior is not sin.

but the fact it is the way many Christians chose to handle the situation, ie get in their face that is causing them to push back.

we can certainly make our position clear.

but i'd argue majority of Christians are doing more than that.

You are correct that the majority of Christians are doing more than that. Much to our shame. They can't (or don't want to) separate homosexual sex (which is prohibited by God) and homosexual feelings. I should have said homosexuals are condemned by God if they don't refrain from homosexual sex by the time they die or by judgement day.

 

[Grace51]

You are correct that the majority of Christians are doing more than that. Much to our shame. They can't (or don't want to) separate homosexual sex (which is prohibited by God) and homosexual feelings. I should have said homosexuals are condemned by God if they don't refrain from homosexual sex by the time they die or by judgement day.

you are right. and i am not disagreeing with the fact all of us will have to face up to judgement one day for God is righteous.

but the time is not here yet and it is close to His heart that as many as possible will be saved before that day comes

and i think it is kind of sad that many Christians behaviors serves as a stumbling block for that.

 

[revrobor]

Sad indeed.

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

Back to the original point, even if the money I give to Chick-Fil-A becomes theirs the second I give it to them, I don't want to take MY hard earned money and transfer it to the care of a company that will give it to organizations I can't agree with. So yeah it's not my money, but I am still enabling them to donate to organizations created to shame and shun Gay people. So I wont go there because of it.

 

[wordsoflife]

Back to the original point, even if the money I give to Chick-Fil-A becomes theirs the second I give it to them, I don't want to take MY hard earned money and transfer it to the care of a company that will give it to organizations I can't agree with. So yeah it's not my money, but I am still enabling them to donate to organizations created to shame and shun Gay people. So I wont go there because of it.

I will make sure and give them double so you will be covered.

 

[Texan40]

Back to the original point, even if the money I give to Chick-Fil-A becomes theirs the second I give it to them, I don't want to take MY hard earned money and transfer it to the care of a company that will give it to organizations I can't agree with. So yeah it's not my money, but I am still enabling them to donate to organizations created to shame and shun Gay people. So I wont go there because of it.

I should be exempt from paying taxes altogether. The government uses my money to fund things I certainly don't support. I don't even get a choice in the matter! My money actually funds collateral damage in both war and "family planning."

 

[Grace51]

I will make sure and give them double so you will be covered.

if they are in the right, than no amount of withhold donations is going to hurt them

if they are in the wrong, than your "double" donations wont mean a thing

God will make sure of that.

 

[revrobor]

if they are in the right, than no amount of withhold donations is going to hurt them

if they are in the wrong, than your "double" donations wont mean a thing

God will make sure of that.

It is not a "they". The OWNER gave his opinion on marriage. The company DOES NOT discriminate in employment or customer service. But the homosexual community and their supporters are WHINING because the owner of a major company had the audacity to give his personal opinion which happens to also be GOD'S opinion. A perfect example of the PARANOIA of the homosexuals and their supporters.

 

[bbbbbbb]

It is not a "they". The OWNER gave his opinion on marriage. The company DOES NOT discriminate in employment or customer service. But the homosexual community and their supporters are WHINING because the owner of a major company had the audacity to give his personal opinion which happens to also be GOD'S opinion. A perfect example of the PARANOIA of the homosexuals and their supporters.

Exactly! On the flip side of the coin, where is the public outcry against J C Penney and its CEO, which have adopted a stridently pro-gay agenda?

I thnk the proof is in the numbers. Sales at Chik-Fil-A are up and sales for the past two quarters at JCP are down by at least 20%. People do vote with their money.

 

[wordsoflife]

if they are in the right, than no amount of withhold donations is going to hurt them

if they are in the wrong, than your "double" donations wont mean a thing

God will make sure of that.

If people come out in support and purchase their food more it will help them.

 

[Bethesda]

you are right. and i am not disagreeing with the fact all of us will have to face up to judgement one day for God is righteous.

but the time is not here yet and it is close to His heart that as many as possible will be saved before that day comes

and i think it is kind of sad that many Christians behaviors serves as a stumbling block for that.

Well its good that there is some agreement - part of the problem though with some re the hate the sin, love the sinner approach is that as human beings too, sometimes people do end up disliking or despising the person (esp if they are viewed as having rejected the Gospel- one only has to look at the misbenighted attitude in the past of otherwise seemingly Biblical Christians to Roman Catholics esp the Irish in the UK where they were viewed as primitives only fit to be ruled by an iron hand). Personally I'm sure I'd struggle and need a lot of prayer if I came into contact with members of the KKK!

 

[Bethesda]

I should be exempt from paying taxes altogether. The government uses my money to fund things I certainly don't support. I don't even get a choice in the matter! My money actually funds collateral damage in both war and "family planning."

I don't know how it works in the US but in the UK the roads we drive on are paid for by taxes as is the NHS. Equally so are the Fire Service and Police. Contracting in or out would never work - if people don't like paying soldiers wages then change it through the ballot box

 

[Grace51]

It is not a "they". The OWNER gave his opinion on marriage. The company DOES NOT discriminate in employment or customer service. But the homosexual community and their supporters are WHINING because the owner of a major company had the audacity to give his personal opinion which happens to also be GOD'S opinion. A perfect example of the PARANOIA of the homosexuals and their supporters.

actually, the OWNER did more that just stating his opinion. He actually go as far as making contribution to the much respected (within RELIGIGOUS community, i will not insult God by using the word Christian in this case) Focus on the Family, which is listed by Southern Poverty Law Centre as a hate group

Chick-fil-A Called 'Anti-Gay' for Contributions to Pro-Marriage Groups

A Dozen Major Groups Help Drive the Religious Right’s Anti-Gay Crusade | Southern Poverty Law Center

from what i understand, the company is family owned company ie the owner own 100% of the share.

furthermore, Chicken Fil A supported group like Focus on the Family through their non profit foundation Winshape

so it is THEY, not HIM.

Dan's family owns the ENTIRE business, he and his family make this kind of decisions.

so the bucks stop with him.

it is good that they do not have a discriminatory policy against gays, but then again, that is just a BASIC morality and decency issue, just someone wont get a pat on the back for not stealing, same applies to Chicken fil a

btw in all fairness, Chicken Fil A has been "reported" to be reviewing its donations more carefully.

as for me being a "homosexual supporter"?

well, if me standing up for people who are being a abused make me a homosexual supporter, so be it, i take it as a badge of honor and am damn proud of it

 

[Grace51]

Well its good that there is some agreement - part of the problem though with some re the hate the sin, love the sinner approach is that as human beings too, sometimes people do end up disliking or despising the person (esp if they are viewed as having rejected the Gospel- one only has to look at the misbenighted attitude in the past of otherwise seemingly Biblical Christians to Roman Catholics esp the Irish in the UK where they were viewed as primitives only fit to be ruled by an iron hand). Personally I'm sure I'd struggle and need a lot of prayer if I came into contact with members of the KKK!

well i see your point.

but compare gays with kkk?

i do not think they are in the same league.