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Hate Speech
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vajradhara
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Namaste all,
there were enough choices to choose the one that i would have.
if it were listed, i would have chosen:
yes, it's legal. you cannot engage in hate speech that inflames or incites or encourages others to commit crimes. to do so would violate the same constution that this form of speech is protected in.
in any event, the real world implementation of such a law is quite varied. in many countries, dissenting speech is not permitted at all and hate speech isn't really considered hate speech, for the entire populace (or a great majority of it) share the feeling towards the object of their hatred.
so.. i'll presume that we are confining the discussion to America.
the question, to me, is really where do individual rights stop and collective rights begin? or... when two individuals are exercising their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. and they choose conflicting modes of happiness, how is it determined who's rights have more weight?
for instance. let's say for sake of argument that my neighbor and i each like music and we each have equally loud stereo systems. i happen to enjoy classical music and my neighbor happens to enjoy blue grass. my neighbor has a friend over and they decide to play their blue grass, which i don't enjoy, very loudly.. so loudly that for me to hear my music, i must turn it up so loudly that others on my street can hear my music.
do those that are forced to listen to my music have any right to have me stop playing it or turn it down? let's presume that it is prior to the county noise laws going into effect.
what if the music is gangsta rap (which i do enjoy) and is full of curse words and so forth. do my neighbors, who don't want young johnny to learn how to say "bring my my money, b**ch". do they have any say over what i can do there?
it's all really quite fascinating, in my opinion.
there were enough choices to choose the one that i would have.
if it were listed, i would have chosen:
yes, it's legal. you cannot engage in hate speech that inflames or incites or encourages others to commit crimes. to do so would violate the same constution that this form of speech is protected in.
in any event, the real world implementation of such a law is quite varied. in many countries, dissenting speech is not permitted at all and hate speech isn't really considered hate speech, for the entire populace (or a great majority of it) share the feeling towards the object of their hatred.
so.. i'll presume that we are confining the discussion to America.
the question, to me, is really where do individual rights stop and collective rights begin? or... when two individuals are exercising their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. and they choose conflicting modes of happiness, how is it determined who's rights have more weight?
for instance. let's say for sake of argument that my neighbor and i each like music and we each have equally loud stereo systems. i happen to enjoy classical music and my neighbor happens to enjoy blue grass. my neighbor has a friend over and they decide to play their blue grass, which i don't enjoy, very loudly.. so loudly that for me to hear my music, i must turn it up so loudly that others on my street can hear my music.
do those that are forced to listen to my music have any right to have me stop playing it or turn it down? let's presume that it is prior to the county noise laws going into effect.
what if the music is gangsta rap (which i do enjoy) and is full of curse words and so forth. do my neighbors, who don't want young johnny to learn how to say "bring my my money, b**ch". do they have any say over what i can do there?
it's all really quite fascinating, in my opinion.
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kdet
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Vylo said:
I made the comment I made to you to show that even though I disagree with your opinion I admire the way you put it before us.
You can state your position in such a way that it causes one to think instead of just dismissing it out of hand.
I hope this clears up any confusion once and for all.
Next time I feel like complimenting a post I will make sure that my reaso is abundantly clear to one and all
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SqueezetheShaman said:
You dare call for insurrection upon my reign?
I love Kitty MORE!
Kitty is one of the cooler people on this forum...I enjoy her input!
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= on an even more serious note...
Diversity should always be respected,
we have to respect all opinions because
perception is personal reality, and whats
real to some isnt real to you, but it always
makes for fun discourse...so as long as we
arent hurting or limiting the freedoms of
any one group, let the mud wrasslin begin!
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SqueezetheShaman said:
I think any normal person would have construed it that way as well....I certainly did, and I'd be surprised if you and I were the only ones.
Kitty perhaps you could be a little more clear in the future, so that we can more easily understand your position.
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KatebTheChaotic said:
Very true. Being able to disagree with someone and do it nicely, and remain friends is important
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