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Hate crimes in the United States increased last year, the FBI says

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by SummerMadness, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. SummerMadness

    SummerMadness Senior Veteran

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    Hate crimes in the United States increased last year, the FBI says
     
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  3. com7fy8

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    Hate crimes increased, or more were reported. Or, more items have now been defined as being hate crimes, while before they were not.

    Then there is the matter of what you define as hate. Attacking and killing an unborn person is not defined as a hate crime. If adults choose to teach their children Biblical morals, it might not be considered a hate crime to discriminate against parents teaching their children wholesome morals.

    Possibly, then, "hate" is defined by who has the most votes.
     
  4. SummerMadness

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    Please read the definition of a hate crime before you conflate it with off-topic comments about abortion. Why should abortion be included as a hate crime? Please do so using the LEGAL definition of hate crime and not because you opened a dictionary and looked up "hate."

    They could call them platypus crimes and they would be the same thing under the law. These laws and crimes are also classified as bias and bigotry crimes, but that's much harder to play the dictionary game with I guess.
     
  5. RDKirk

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    Every interest group and identity group in the nation seems to strive toward meanness and edginess these days.

    Acting up, acting out, getting in someone's face, taking it to the streets--that seems to be the way everyone wants to get their messages out these days, including, sadly, Christians.

    Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

    I dare say those words would find few heads nodding in American Christian circles these days.
     
  6. Hank77

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    ie. Black guy hits white guy because the guy called him a derogatory name. That is not a hate crime.
    Black guy hits white guy simply because he is white. That is a hate crime.
     
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  7. Alicia Schout

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    It's about time that this racial issue be solved in a normal, Godly way. Who has created black, white, red, yellow and name it? Can any man create his own race? People are basically the same. We have dominion over the i.e. the animals, not over other men. That's why this kind of dominion always ends up in wars, fights, strives, battles and quarrels. It's the sinful nature of men we have to deal with. But through Jesus we have authority to overcome the strongmen.
     
  8. HannahT

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    Wow. Interesting table of data! I was surprised by the religion affiliation part.

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    Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,538 offenses reported by law enforcement. A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-biased offenses showed:

    54.2 percent were anti-Jewish.
    24.8 percent were anti-Islamic (Muslim)


    I thought it would be the other way around. With Muslim on top, and Jews more down the list.
     
  9. ThatRobGuy

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    I don't doubt that there may be an increase in crimes motivated by protected characteristics...

    However, here's my major issue with, not so much the concept of hate crimes, but with the implementation.

    1) Even right from the mouth of an associate FBI director, there was never any intent to consistently apply these laws.

    The FBI's hate crimes statistics for 1993, which similarly reported 20% of all hate crimes to be committed against white people, prompted Jill Tregor, assistant regional FBI director, to decry it as "an abuse of what the hate crime laws were intended to cover", stating that the white victims of these crimes were employing hate crime laws as a means to further penalize minorities.


    2) The term "hate crime" much like the term "terrorism" has been somewhat watered down by including activities encompassing a wide range of severity levels which can tend to cause obfuscation when discussing the issue. For example, we'd obviously agree that murdering a person for racial reasons is far worse than say, spray-painting a swastika on a place of worship, yes?

    So when both are simply given the blanket title of "hate crime", you can have a scenario (and these are just example numbers) in which in:
    2015: you have 3 racially motivated murders, and 3 acts of vandalism against a place of worship. 2016: you have no racially motivated murders, but 10 acts of vandalism.

    If you're just reporting a tally, then it reports as "we had 10 hate crimes reported, up from 6 the previous year" (makes it sound like the issue is getting worse), when in reality, the fact that it was only just property crime and there were no murders would indicate that the situation in 2016 is actually better than in 2015.


    Now, if we had something like a tiered system for hate crime reporting...for example classifications 1-3... 1 being petty things like verbal-related attacks, 2 being things a tad more severe like property damage, and 3 being things that actually do physical harm... I think that would give everyone a much clearer picture of the trend and whether or not things are truly getting worse or improving.
     
  10. Rion

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    Eh... doesn't always work that way. Remember those guys who tortured that white mentally ill kid back in the early part of the year? They got charged with a hate crime not because they were making comments about hating white people while torturing the kid, but because they were torturing a mentally handicapped person.
     
  11. SummerMadness

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    Were they motivated to attack because of his skin color or mental handicap? It's about what the investigation uncovers, not its portrayal by conservative new media.

    Hate Crime Victims (2016)
    Racial/Ethnicity/Ancestry bias
    Among single-bias hate crime incidents in 2016, there were 4,426 victims of race/ethnicity/ancestry motivated hate crime.
    • 50.2 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Black or African American bias.
    • 20.5 percent were victims of anti-White bias.
    • 10.9 percent were victims of anti-Hispanic or Latino bias.
    • 4.3 percent were victims of bias against a group of individuals in which more than one race was represented (anti-multiple races, group).
    • 3.8 percent were victims of anti-American Indian or Alaska Native bias.
    • 3.1 percent were victims of anti-Asian bias.
    • 1.3 percent were victims of anti-Arab bias.
    • 0.2 percent (9 individuals) were victims of anti-Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander bias.
    • 5.7 percent were victims of anti-Other Race/Ethnicity/Ancestry bias.
     
  12. Rion

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    Well, I'm not an expert, but on their livestream of his torture they didn't say anything about the mentally handicap, but they did express a severe hatred of white people. Hmmm... not sure. What do you think?
     
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    It really doesn't matter if it was because he was white or if it was because of his mental disability, it is a hate crime. The disabled kid had not done anything to them personally and it was not a random assault, but he was their chosen victim because of things that he had no control over. He can't change the color of his skin or his disability.

    Hate crime laws in the United States. ... Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
    Hate crime laws in the United States - Wikipedia
     
  14. Rion

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    My point was that your example doesn't necessarily hold true.
     
  15. SummerMadness

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    His example is that a white person attacked because of their race holds true. The story you brought up does not negate that point. Just because in that particular case they found the victim was chosen because of his mental disability does not mean that a white victim is not found the victim of a hate crime based on race; in fact 20% of the cases involving racial/ethnic bias are anti-white bias.
     
  16. Hank77

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    Yeah, it does every time. If a black guy hits a white guy simply because he is white that is a hate crime.
    It also holds true if a black guy hits a mentally disabled guy for no other reason than he is disabled, that is a hate crime.
    If the victim is both white and disabled, it is a hate crime that needs to be determined as to which bias it is.
     
  17. Rion

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    So if the group is screaming about how they hate white people while they cut him, then they did it because they hated mentally ill people?
     
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    Not only the actual abortion, but the mistreatment which can help to push a woman to do it.

    Isn't it true that people discriminate against pregnant unwed mothers? Ones even pressure them to kill their own unborn with whom they could learn how to love. Shouldn't this be considered a hate crime?

    I find it interesting how ones are being told not to discriminate against people who are transgendering themselves, even though their transgendering process can involve much expense and inconvenience. Yet, ones can claim it is too much expense and trouble for an unwed pregnant mother to keep her child.

    But, I offer, where I am coming from, is not only to be technical about what is and what is not a legal hate crime. But I am coming from what I have learned from the Bible >

    Jesus says,

    "'He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much.'" (Luke 16:10)

    To me, this means that in much or in little our real character effects how well we can do something. If we are all-loving, like Jesus wants, we can equally love any and all people, born or unborn . . . while His love is making us able to relate very well with ones who are close to us. In God's all-loving love, we do not discriminate against any race, or against people who are less beautiful looking than others, or against the unborn and their mothers. But we dearly and tenderly love and care for each and every person.

    But if we pick and choose whom we love, this means we do not have God's all-loving character; and so we can not love really right, even with the ones who are close to us; because our discriminatory way of loving comes from selfish character which keeps us from relating well.

    So - - if we are cherry picking who we care about and who we don't, then in our social causes we can not help even the people we do care about, in the really right way. So, if I am ok with killing unborn people, I am not able to really help the people I do care about. And if someone favors and loves more beautiful looking people, this person can not function really well in trying to help to stop racial discrimination; because the character of beauty discrimination will effect the person's other relating, also > Jesus means, that one can not be faithful, one way, but unjust in another area.

    Because the person's picky and choosy way of loving keeps the person from how God's all-loving love would have him or her being able to relate in intimate sharing.

    So, if we want to correct the problem of racial prejudice, we also need to put an end to discrimination against less beautiful looking and unborn and unwed pregnant people.

    Also, there is discrimination about who needs the forgiveness of Jesus on the cross. Ones are claiming that gays and transgender people do not need forgiveness. But we all need to turn from how we have been wrong. So, we are not loving people, by promoting that certain wrong people do not need forgiveness, while others do; this is another way of discrimination. So, while ones keep on in discrimination about who needs forgiveness, they can not function really right in attempting to fight other ways of discrimination.

    Jesus says that someone who is unfaithful in little is also unjust in much (Luke 16:10); so one can not really stop one way of discriminating while the person keeps on in another way.

    So, for only one example > if people are trying to help us to know that black lives matter, they need to not discriminate about beauty and who is unborn or an unwed pregnant woman or who needs forgiveness. We need to love and care for any and all people as our own selves, and not cherry pick who we care about :)
     
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