Hate Crimes Bill Passes U.S. House of Reps.

[Yarddog]

Attaching controversial bills onto 'must pass' bills is like a form of legalized political blackmail. It should not be allowed to happen.

The amendment passed with by a 281-146 vote. No controversy there.

 

[claddagh4jesus]

Hahaha, well put!

 

[claddagh4jesus]

I wouldn't be so worried about the government jumping on my tail, I'd be way more worried about the idiots who take it as, hey, you diss my beliefs by promoting yours, I sue you. Or have you arrested. THAT is definitely something to worry about. And then of course there are those supreme court judges who rule in favor of the party who broke the constitutional law. Just saying.

It's NOT a good Bill.

 

[claddagh4jesus]

The amendment passed with by a 281-146 vote. No controversy there.

Just because our congress is filled with liberal idiots who want their own way doesn't mean it's not controversial. DUH

 

[Yarddog]

Just because our congress is filled with liberal idiots who want their own way doesn't mean it's not controversial. DUH

The only reason that there is controversy is because of the, what was the word that you used, oh yeah, "idiots" who give interpretations of the Bill without knowing what the Bill is about.

If you have a problem with the Bill, tell us why and show where it appears in the context.

 

[Subdood]

What is transparent about a 281-146 vote in favor of the Bill. What is obvious is that a very clear majority favored it.

The amendment passed with by a 281-146 vote. No controversy there.

I believe the actual count was 220 - 215, for the latest bill anyway - and hardly a "clear majority" for something that is so hotly contested, when just 3 votes of the total 435 would have swung the "majority" the other way.

 

[revanneosl]

Attaching controversial bills onto 'must pass' bills is like a form of legalized political blackmail. It should not be allowed to happen.

I agree. the Hyde amendment is an abomination. And it gets attached to the appropriations bill every year.

 

[Yarddog]

I believe the actual count was 220 - 215, for the latest bill anyway - and hardly a "clear majority" for something that is so hotly contested, when just 3 votes of the total 435 would have swung the "majority" the other way.

House Passes Hate Crimes Bill
The original bill, H.R. 1913, passed the House on April 29th of this year, mostly along partisan lines. The Senate attached its version of the Hate Crimes Bill to the Defense Authorization Act of 2010 (H.R. 2467), and after the bill passed the Senate, the language was maintained by the House/Senate Conference Committee. Today, the Defense Authorization Act conference report passed on a vote that broke largely on partisan lines, 281 to 146.


The original Hate Crimes Bill passed the House 234-190.

 

[ADNox2]

Translation:

"I'm outraged it's now considered a hate crime to spew hate!"

As it should be. If you want to do it, do it. Enjoy prison. No one will mourn the loss of a bigot.

 

[Gishin]

It's not even a hate crime to spew hate. That's protected free speech.

They're mad about not being able to physically bash people I guess.

 

[ADNox2]

Verbal abuse over sexual orientation is and should be a crime. 'Spewing hate' is criminal. Only a bigot would lament over not having the right to abuse someone verbally or physically.

 

[Gishin]

I actually disagree. The first amendment doesn't mean anything if it doesn't protect the most offensive of speech.

 

[b.hopeful]

Verbal abuse can cross the line into harassment....I'll give you that. But we may differ on what constitutes abuse. Merely offending someone with your opinion is not abuse. Following you from work to your job to church and back again screaming hateful messages certainly sounds a lot like harassment though.

We KNOW we have a constitutional right to free speech here(thank God) and we need to realize we DO NOT have a constitutional right to not be offended.

 

[ace8842]

Verbal abuse over sexual orientation is and should be a crime. 'Spewing hate' is criminal. Only a bigot would lament over not having the right to abuse someone verbally or physically.

Hate crimes laws are unconstitutional. They violate "equal protection under the law" in our founding documents. Furthermore, in Europe and Canada these have led to hate speech laws, a violation of freedom of speech. Hate crimes laws also undermine local law enforcement by federalizing what should be state crimes and not allowing them to report a crime as a crime...having to somehow discern intent, which can be impossible.

 

[b.hopeful]

Discerning intent is a regular part of the criminal process. It is used to determine charges.