Has the gay community infiltrated this website?

[Lisa0315]

ok, so, not under the law, why is homosexuality wrong for me?OK, liberated from the law, why is homosexuality wrong for me?I'm not Jewish, so why is homosexuality wrong for me?How do you know which ones apply to everyone and which ones only to Jews?I disagree with your conclusions.marriage is about maintaining family property. Since children are unlikely to "accidentally" occur in a homosexual relationship, property concerns and family breakdown is not a problem. Therefore, homosexuality does not create the sort of problems that OT injunctions against extra marital sex are intended to prevent

They are not my conclusions. It is what Jesus said.

When speaking on the subject of divorce, Jesus said that it was not so from the beginning. So, if Jesus uses creation as the example of what is the proper context of marriage, and if we know that sex outside of marriage is a sin, then, we can conclude that homosexuality is also a sin.

Lisa

 

[PinkTulip]

ok, so, not under the law, why is homosexuality wrong for me?OK, liberated from the law, why is homosexuality wrong for me?I'm not Jewish, so why is homosexuality wrong for me?How do you know which ones apply to everyone and which ones only to Jews?I disagree with your conclusions.marriage is about maintaining family property. Since children are unlikely to "accidentally" occur in a homosexual relationship, property concerns and family breakdown is not a problem. Therefore, homosexuality does not create the sort of problems that OT injunctions against extra marital sex are intended to prevent

May I ask what you classify as a sin? Do you think of yourself as a sinner? Do you want to walk as Christ did? If you answered yes to the last question, do you think Christ would have participated in homosexual acts or have been a homosexual himself?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

When speaking on the subject of divorce, Jesus said that it was not so from the beginning. So, if Jesus uses creation as the example of what is the proper context of marriage, and if we know that sex outside of marriage is a sin, then, we can conclude that homosexuality is also a sin.

If he's talking about divorce, then why does it automatically follow that he is refering to all other types of extra marital relations as well?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

May I ask what you classify as a sin? Do you think of yourself as a sinner? Do you want to walk as Christ did? If you answered yes to the last question, do you think Christ would have participated in homosexual acts or have been a homosexual himself?

Tell you what... I'll answer your questions, if you answer mine... so, to sumarise...

If the OT law doesn't aply anymore, why is homosexuality still against the law?

 

[davedjy]

May I ask what you classify as a sin? Do you think of yourself as a sinner? Do you want to walk as Christ did? If you answered yes to the last question, do you think Christ would have participated in homosexual acts or have been a homosexual himself?

Perhaps a better question...would Jesus even be a practicing heterosexual? Do we know any talk of Jesus being sexual at all? The Bible says He was tempted on every level in Hebrews, so one would have to believe he had some SSA, too if you want to consider homosexuality a sin.

 

[Lisa0315]

If he's talking about divorce, then why does it automatically follow that he is refering to all other types of extra marital relations as well?

Because adultery is the only cause for divorce as stated by Christ. Fornication, sex outside the bonds of marriage, is also a sin. Either way, any sexual relations outside of marriage is a sin. It is said over and over from the beginning to the end of the Bible.

Honestly, there is more of an argument FOR homosexuality than there is AGAINST sex outside the bonds of marriage. I can hold just the tiniest amount of doubt regarding homosexuality especially when not acted upon, BUT there is NO license in Scripture for fornication or adultery. It is possible for homosexuality to truly be a cross that must be carried, and sin can be avoided by just not participating in the actual act. However, both fornication and adultery are ACTIVE pursuits of sin. They are sin COMMITTED, rather than sin pondered. Jesus even says that even thinking about someone elses husband or wife in a sexual way is adultery in the heart.

Lisa

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Perhaps a better question...would Jesus even be a practicing heterosexual? Do we know any talk of Jesus being sexual at all? The Bible says He was tempted on every level in Hebrews, so one would have to believe he had some SSA, too if you want to consider homosexuality a sin.

Careful, I got a warning once for saying that Jesus was just as much a homosexual as a heterosexual, because he came to redeem ALL mankind

 

[PinkTulip]

Tell you what... I'll answer your questions, if you answer mine... so, to sumarise...

If the OT law doesn't aply anymore, why is homosexuality still against the law?

I think the OT does apply. I never argued that. If it doesn't apply, why do we read it? Why not just toss it in the trash...

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Either way, any sexual relations outside of marriage is a sin. It is said over and over from the beginning to the end of the Bible.

Is it really? I don't think so.

They are sin COMMITTED, rather than sin pondered. Jesus even says that even thinking about someone elses husband or wife in a sexual way is adultery in the heart.

I don't think he meant what you think he meant

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I think the OT does apply. I never argued that. If it doesn't apply, why do we read it? Why not just toss it in the trash...

So, do YOU follow OT law?

 

[davedjy]

So, do YOU follow OT law?

She must have to follow ALL of it then!

She better not eat red meat or wear synthetic clothing or she is committing abominations before the Lord!

How many slaves?

 

[davedjy]

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

 

[Lisa0315]

This is quite revealing of your thought process. You cannot see the difference in someone asking for you to do as Jesus did, a reflection that Jesus obeyed the law completely, and meaning HE NEVER participated in ANY sexual sin. Yet, somehow, you cannot see the difference in what you were dinged for and what the other poster has said.

One is a mockery of our Lord, the other is a defense of Him. You likely got dinged because of the near-blasphemous statement of our Lord who NEVER participated in ANY kind of sexual relationship BECAUSE He was not married. If Jesus HAD married, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TO ANOTHER MAN!

Lisa

PS: THIS conversation has gone too far now. THIS is beyond my endurance on the subject. You have been given the truth and you have rejected it. So, be it.

Dust be gone off these sandals! Collecting my pearls and hitting the road. I advise others to do the same. Those who would believe that our Lord and Saviour would commit such acts are beyond conversation. Only prayer and fasting can overcome such deception as this.
Words are useless at this juncture.

 

[PinkTulip]

So, do YOU follow OT law?

Um, hello? Do you not follow the Ten Commandments? And please don't write back saying, "Well, do you wear mixed fabrics?" That is such a crazy argument. God gave his Laws regarding sexual misconduct and Jesus still spoke against it in the NT. Therefore, it applies. Paul writes about sin and the law a hundred times.

And these conversations are going around in circles.

Again, if you want to walk like Jesus in this world then you need to pray about what he would or would not do. Ask yourself if Jesus would have participated in homosexual acts then get back to me.

And no, I don't eat shellfish.

 

[davedjy]

Dust be gone off these sandals! Collecting my pearls and hitting the road. I advise others to do the same. Those who would believe that our Lord and Saviour would commit such acts are beyond conversation. Only prayer and fasting can overcome such deception as this.
Words are useless at this juncture.

If others would leave too, my job would be much easier!

The truth? Enemyparty and I both have informed you of the real truth.

May you always continue in your beautiful thought patterns and beliefs before Jesus Christ! May us homosexuals perish in the eternal lake of fire for not living celibate, boring, depressing and unfulfilling lifestyles so that we can please our arbitrary master!

Good day to you!

 

[EnemyPartyII]

This is quite revealing of your thought process. You cannot see the difference in someone asking for you to do as Jesus did, a reflection that Jesus obeyed the law completely, and meaning HE NEVER participated in ANY sexual sin. Yet, somehow, you cannot see the difference in what you were dinged for and what the other poster has said.

One is a mockery of our Lord, the other is a defense of Him. You likely got dinged because of the near-blasphemous statement of our Lord who NEVER participated in ANY kind of sexual relationship BECAUSE He was not married. If Jesus HAD married, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TO ANOTHER MAN!

Would you like some springs to help you jump to more conclusions? I never said Jesus was sexual active in any way! But, since he came to the world for ALL humans, homosexuals and heterosexuals, and experienced the whole of the human condition, it makes sense that he was homosexual as much as he was heterosexual... same as he was black, white, Asian, Indian...

But hey, if you want to snatch an insult from the jaws of compassionate understanding, be my guest.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Um, hello? Do you not follow the Ten Commandments? And please don't write back saying, "Well, do you wear mixed fabrics?" That is such a crazy argument. God gave his Laws regarding sexual misconduct and Jesus still spoke against it in the NT. Therefore, it applies. Paul writes about sin and the law a hundred times.

And these conversations are going around in circles.

Again, if you want to walk like Jesus in this world then you need to pray about what he would or would not do. Ask yourself if Jesus would have participated in homosexual acts then get back to me.

And no, I don't eat shellfish.

Yes, I follow the 10 commandments... but the 10 commandments don't mention homosexuality, do they?

Seriously, I don't understand how people are supposed to tell which bits of OT law we are meant to follow and which we are allowed to ignore. Can you hellp me?

 

[davedjy]

Ask yourself if Jesus would have participated in homosexual acts then get back to me.

Let's balance that question...

Ask yourself if Jesus would have participated in heterosexual acts then get back to me.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Thankyou Dave, perfect response

 

[Gwenyfur]

Thread closed...

to many broken rules