Has God forgiven a person their sins before they are saved?

[bottomofsandal]

I think He would be sad rather than angry.

It is a FEARFUL thing to fall into the hands of The Living God
We have not been appointed unto wrath, but unto salvation
Kiss The Son lest He be angry


This emotion may "feel" right, but it is not Biblical.

God, wringing Hs hands in despair because He could not save everyone is not true.

 

[bottomofsandal]

That brings up an interesting point. Will god be happy or sad that He has to sentence those who are still dead in their sins to eternity apart from Him?

I agree with you, I think God will be sad. But He is just and righteous and must be just and righteous.

I understand the sentiment, but is there any mention of this in The Holy Writ?

Was God sad when Egpyptians were swallowed by the Red Sea?
Was God sad when the earth opened up and consumed Korah's family?
Was God sad when all the first-born were killed by the angel of death?

What leads you to believe/think/feel God would be sad?
Holiness is holy. Is it possible for holiness to feel sadness?

We need to be careful not to romanticize God and demand He act in a certain manner.
We don't know how God reacts in this or any situation unless The Bible tells us. It doesn't.

God is loving. God is merciful. God is just. God is kind. God is patient. God is holy.
We cannot hypothesize God will respond in a certain way because we might feel that way.
I am not bashing you, your pov, or making light of this feeling if one has the feeling.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It is a FEARFUL thing to fall into the hands of The Living God
We have not been appointed unto wrath, but unto salvation
Kiss The Son lest He be angry


This emotion may "feel" right, but it is not Biblical.

God, wringing Hs hands in despair because He could not save everyone is not true.

I think you forget that God SO LOVED THE WORLD.

And since you do not know, nor do I know, your opinion doesn't mean anything more than ours.

If I remember correctly God hates sin. It's a sin problem, remember?

 

[YouAreAwesome]

This emotion may "feel" right, but it is not Biblical.

God, wringing Hs hands in despair because He could not save everyone is not true.

What do you make of Genesis 6:6?
"And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart." (ESV, but nearly every version says either heartbroken, deeply troubled etc. http://biblehub.com/genesis/6-6.htm)

 

[bottomofsandal]

I think you forget that God SO LOVED THE WORLD.

And since you do not know, nor do I know, your opinion doesn't mean anything more than ours.

If I remember correctly God hates sin. It's a sin problem, remember?

... you made an unsubstantiated claim about God's attributes.

I called you on it, and you admitted it was opinion. So why speculate?


Jesus wept. Does that mean He was sad?

Why would a Holy God be sad? What reason?

God would have been sad when He created them...

 

[bottomofsandal]

What do you make of Genesis 6:6?
"And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart." (ESV, but nearly every version says either heartbroken, deeply troubled etc. http://biblehub.com/genesis/6-6.htm)

Anthropomorphism.


Do you believe God reacts and feels like we do?

When does God stop being sad for the souls in hell?

Is God sad forever and ever for souls in hell? Show us a verse.


People have feelings, and that is understandable-

Its just not Biblical to say God has eternal sadness.

 

[ScottA]

I'm reposting @ToBeLoved's (excellent) question since there were 159 posts in between it and the original comment I made.


Has God forgiven a person their sins before they are saved?

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. (John 3:16-18, 1984 NIV)

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. (James 2:19, 1984 NIV)

1. What is different between these two kinds of belief?

2. What is the event (or events) that are required for a human to be saved? (A change of heart would be an event.)
3. Do the event(s) affect our legal standing with God or his heart for us (or both)?

4. What is it exactly that happens (at the point one accepts God's unmerited gift of salvation) that makes a person change from unsaved to saved?

5. Would it be true for a Christian to tell a non-Christian that his or her sins have been forgiven?

1. People are "chosen" by God for salvation. Those who are, are drawn to Him and will seek Him.
2. We must accept God's terms: come to the realization that we are like prisoners/captives in a fallen world, in need of saving/rescue; turn from the evils of the world; and receive His gift of salvation with humility. We would only do this if we "believe" that He has sent His Son to save us.
3. When we have done the above, we are saved/sealed/promised salvation and rescue from the fate of the world. We then live out our days in this fallen world until the end, having been "saved" that very moment we first believed.
4. The only exception...is that we never really believed it.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I understand the sentiment, but is there any mention of this in The Holy Writ?

Was God sad when Egpyptians were swallowed by the Red Sea?
Was God sad when the earth opened up and consumed Korah's family?
Was God sad when all the first-born were killed by the angel of death?

What leads you to believe/think/feel God would be sad?
Holiness is holy. Is it possible for holiness to feel sadness?

We need to be careful not to romanticize God and demand He act in a certain manner.
We don't know how God reacts in this or any situation unless The Bible tells us. It doesn't.

God is loving. God is merciful. God is just. God is kind. God is patient. God is holy.
We cannot hypothesize God will respond in a certain way because we might feel that way.
I am not bashing you, your pov, or making light of this feeling if one has the feeling.

There are other verses where God speaks of His great love for mankind. Of course God is just, that is why He sent His Son to die for those who are saved from their sin. God not only sent His Son but He was glad that He was able to send His Son to redeem us.

I am not romanticizing God at all. Someone said that they thought God would be sad, someone else said He would be happy because of His anger towards sin. I said I think God hates the sin but loves the sinner.

Even in your response above you used the words just, loving, kind and patient. One could say you are romanticizing God negatively by acting like God's love is shallow and nothing.

 

[ToBeLoved]

1. People are "chosen" by God for salvation. Those who are, are drawn to Him and will seek Him.
2. We must accept God's terms: come to the realization that we are like prisoners/captives in a fallen world, in need of saving/rescue; turn from the evils of the world; and receive His gift of salvation with humility. We would only do this if we "believe" that He has sent His Son to save us.
3. When we have done the above, we are saved/sealed/promised salvation and rescue from the fate of the world. We then live out our days in this fallen world until the end, having been "saved" that very moment we first believed.
4. The only exception...is that we never really believed it.

So you are saying that God called, drew and saved someone but that person that never believed it is the exception of what? God failed in drawing according to number 4.

Also if you believe that we were predestined to be saved, then one's salvation cannot be lost or again God failed.

What point Calvinist are you?

 

[ToBeLoved]

What do you make of Genesis 6:6?
"And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart." (ESV, but nearly every version says either heartbroken, deeply troubled etc. http://biblehub.com/genesis/6-6.htm)

Great verse. There are many more too.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

Anthropomorphism.


Do you believe God reacts and feels like we do?

When does God stop being sad for the souls in hell?

Is God sad forever and ever for souls in hell? Show us a verse.


People have feelings, and that is understandable-

Its just not Biblical to say God has eternal sadness.

Do you believe God is without emotion?

 

[ScottA]

So you are saying that God called, drew and saved someone but that person that never believed it is the exception of what? God failed in drawing according to number 4.

Also if you believe that we were predestined to be saved, then one's salvation cannot be lost or again God failed.

What point Calvinist are you?

What's a Calvinist?

The salvation message is God stating His terms (which I just repeated) - that is His part. Our part, is to receive, believe, and repent...and if we do not, God has not failed - we have.

 

[bottomofsandal]

Do you believe God is without emotion?

That's really not what was asserted by some folks.

Is God sad in Matthew 7 when He tells evildoers to depart?

How about the sheep and the goats Judgment in Matthew 25?


I provided Biblical illustrations of Divine judgment where God shows no sadness.

God is just in His righteous judgments. We have no reason to believe He is saddened.

 

[bottomofsandal]

What's a Calvinist?

The salvation message is God stating His terms (which I just repeated) - that is His part. Our part, is to receive, believe, and repent...and if we do not, God has not failed - we have.

Nice proclamation of The Gospel of God's Grace!

Whenever someone does not emphasize man's activity, decision, and works...

...you get attacked, mischaracterized, and labeled a Calvinist. Welcome to the club!

 

[YouAreAwesome]

God is just in His righteous judgments. We have no reason to believe He is saddened.

We all are saddened when someone is judged to death. God even more so.

 

[EmSw]

God is just in His righteous judgments. We have no reason to believe He is saddened.

I guess Jesus just had allergies when He wept.

 

[bottomofsandal]

We all are saddened when someone is judged to death. God even more so.

Really?

So, when a child molester rapes and kills children, you are saddened when he is judged & incarcerated?

Are we really talking about being saddened when unrighteous, evil, enemies of God are judged?

I gave you passages on Judgment, plus look at Revelation. God is not sad when He judges sin.


This is my last post on this corollary out of respect to the OP.

 

[ToBeLoved]

... you made an unsubstantiated claim about God's attributes.

I called you on it, and you admitted it was opinion. So why speculate?


Jesus wept. Does that mean He was sad?

Why would a Holy God be sad? What reason?

God would have been sad when He created them...

God has used emotion before to describe how He looked at things, so it is not that far off and could be. If God does have emotion, I'd bet on Him not being happy than being angry as you said. God doesn't hate the sinner. God hates sin.

Since Jesus wept, why would you not think it was because He was sad.

Sounds like someone here may be a cold fish. That's too bad since Jesus says we should love our neighbor as ourself.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

God doesn't hate the sinner. God hates sin.

Double check in SCRIPTURE (GOD'S OWN WORD).
HE HATES the people who are perverse in heart.
Perhaps more than that, as written in HIS OWN WORD.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Really?

So, when a child molester rapes and kills children, you are saddened when he is judged & incarcerated?

Are we really talking about being saddened when unrighteous, evil, enemies of God are judged?

I gave you passages on Judgment, plus look at Revelation. God is not sad when He judges sin.


This is my last post on this corollary out of respect to the OP.

That is too bad, you'll be missed.