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Harry Potter!
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I went and saw it last night and was greatly looking forward to it. While not a huge Harry Potter fan, HBP was my favourite book. And then...... well, suffice to say I was greatly disappointed. They removed just about all the things that made the book good, such as the lessons by Snape to cast spells without speaking the incantation, what made the Half Blood Prince the Half Blood Prince, and quite a few other things. Granted, if they had incorporated that in, they'd have to make it an even LONGER movie, or elimiate some of the things they inserted so they could remedy the final installment(s).
Still a good movie for the movie series, but still rather disappointed.
Still a good movie for the movie series, but still rather disappointed.
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I wasn't VASTLY disappointed (as I haven't been too thrilled by the movie adaptations, anyway), but I can't say that it met even my meagre expectations:
1. The Score: where is John Williams when you need him? Apart from the scenes where they played his themes, the musical background was a bland, stale, orchestral NOTHING. In one ear and out the other. Nothing memorable, no excitement, no magic, no whimsy - NOTHING.
2. The script: while I'm not averse to departures from the novel in general, I do expect such deviations to make sense and to tighten up the flow of the movie. This was clearly not the case here. Instead, unfathomable plot holes rivaling the size of the grand canyon were opened.
MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!!!
a) Torching the Burrow: What on Earth was that scene doing in the film? It didn't propel the plot along, it didn't fit the pace of the scene or its surroundings, and it didn't even make sense in and of itself! What was that supposed to be? An assassination attempt on Harry? Puh-lease! "Let's run away and stumble through the dark until reinforcements arrive to protect him."
I'd also like to see how they manage to tie this in with the opening of the last book.
b) The Vanishing Cabinet: throughout the film, this item is presented as the key to the whole sinister plot. The thing is, though: IT ISN'T! It is UTTERLY irrelevant to the finale, as the Death Eaters' arrival is completely pointless and does not serve any purpose. They are just noisy spectators. Which leads me to point c:
c) The missing attack on Hogwarts: throughout the film, attention is drawn to the fact that security has been tightened - and then, a bunch of SCREAMING, vandalising death eaters can march through the school without being challenged by ANYONE? What were they supposed to achieve, anyway? They didn't DO anything, so why bother with the Vanishing Cabinet to begin with?
d) The confrontation between Harry and Snape: in the novel, this happened during a fighting retreat. In the film, it was part of the death eaters' STROLL out of Hogwarts. So, Snape stops Bellatrix from killing Harry, saying: "No, he's for the Dark Lord" - and then they just LEAVE him there, rather than taking him prisoner and DELIVERING him to Voldemort? How stupid is that? It doesn't make ANY sense whatsoever! In the book, it made sense because the Death Eaters were pursued. Here, it's just stupid.
1. The Score: where is John Williams when you need him? Apart from the scenes where they played his themes, the musical background was a bland, stale, orchestral NOTHING. In one ear and out the other. Nothing memorable, no excitement, no magic, no whimsy - NOTHING.
2. The script: while I'm not averse to departures from the novel in general, I do expect such deviations to make sense and to tighten up the flow of the movie. This was clearly not the case here. Instead, unfathomable plot holes rivaling the size of the grand canyon were opened.
MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!!!
a) Torching the Burrow: What on Earth was that scene doing in the film? It didn't propel the plot along, it didn't fit the pace of the scene or its surroundings, and it didn't even make sense in and of itself! What was that supposed to be? An assassination attempt on Harry? Puh-lease! "Let's run away and stumble through the dark until reinforcements arrive to protect him."
I'd also like to see how they manage to tie this in with the opening of the last book.
b) The Vanishing Cabinet: throughout the film, this item is presented as the key to the whole sinister plot. The thing is, though: IT ISN'T! It is UTTERLY irrelevant to the finale, as the Death Eaters' arrival is completely pointless and does not serve any purpose. They are just noisy spectators. Which leads me to point c:
c) The missing attack on Hogwarts: throughout the film, attention is drawn to the fact that security has been tightened - and then, a bunch of SCREAMING, vandalising death eaters can march through the school without being challenged by ANYONE? What were they supposed to achieve, anyway? They didn't DO anything, so why bother with the Vanishing Cabinet to begin with?
d) The confrontation between Harry and Snape: in the novel, this happened during a fighting retreat. In the film, it was part of the death eaters' STROLL out of Hogwarts. So, Snape stops Bellatrix from killing Harry, saying: "No, he's for the Dark Lord" - and then they just LEAVE him there, rather than taking him prisoner and DELIVERING him to Voldemort? How stupid is that? It doesn't make ANY sense whatsoever! In the book, it made sense because the Death Eaters were pursued. Here, it's just stupid.
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I liked it.
Compared to the book I can see why people might dislike it, but I tend to view them differently, just because I know nobody can make the film just like the book.
It wasn't the best of the films though, but I still very much liked it.
Compared to the book I can see why people might dislike it, but I tend to view them differently, just because I know nobody can make the film just like the book.
It wasn't the best of the films though, but I still very much liked it.
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I thought it was great. I think you just have to enjoy the films for being the version they put to screen. Books are just that.
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Nobody has really complained about that, or have I missed something?
I, for one, am all for deviations from the novel, as films and books work in a different fashion indeed - BUT (notice the capital letters)... I do expect these deviations to make sense, to render the movie-version more coherent or, at the very least, not to hurt the integrity of the plot.
Granted, we are talking about a kids' movie - but I do hold it to the same (or at least similar) standard as other films, simply because I do not expect young audiences to be stupid. A plot hole is a plot hole, and even ten-year-olds may very well spot them - and be rightly offended by them.
What we faced in the finale of HBP was basically everything that can go wrong: it did not make sense in and of itself. Even if there hadn't been a novel beforehand, it would still be a shoddy piece of script writing.
Let's compare it to, say, the movie adaptation of "Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers". (And make no mistake, I'm a HUGE fan of Peter Jackson's take on Tolkien's classic.)
In the movie version, Frodo and Sam are taken to Osgiliath, as Faramir succumbs to the subtle temptation of the One Ring (at least for a time). It's a deviation from the novel, but nothing that would damage the integrity of the plot in and of itself: quite the contrary, it served a very specific purpose, namely giving the Frodo-and-Sam plot a finale, a climax, something to replace the Shelob-sequence with (which was left for the third movie).
But things got messy when the screenwriters had Frodo walk out onto the parapet and present the One Ring to one of the Ringwraiths - by the very rules that the movies had established, that one did not work out. Exposing the Ring to even one of them would have drawn all the Nine, who were out looking for it anyway - and they wouldn't have kept it at one failed lunge of a felbeast. "Fellowship" had shown the audience what they were capable of, even when they were thousands of miles removed from Mordor. In fact, even "Two Towers" had emphasized their being drawn to the Ring, in the swamp sequence. Accordingly, the war would pretty much have been over the moment Frodo stepped out and exposed the ring.
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It is ok but on the whole, I was disappointed. Way to much left out from the book. Too many pensive trips were not presented--thus those who have not read the books are left out out of so much that formed Voldermolt's character. This is, IMHO, the best book in the series, but not, by a long shot, the best film adaption. This one, as with the 4th in the series (Goblet of Fire), should have been made into 2 films.
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Very true. Am wondering how they will explain some things in the last movie(s). For example--They have, since the 2nd movie, ingored Dobby. They re-wrote Goblet Of Fire to give Neville credit for the gillyweed. But Dobby is very necessary in the last installment, as only a house elf can disappate from the Malfloy's basement. I expect that they will just write him back in as a surprise to Harry.
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all in all, it was good. I think it has to do with attitude. If you go see it, not expecting your personal opinions to be fulfilled, you will enjoy it. If, however, you go wanting to see your vision of the movie, then you WILL be upset. It's a movie, it's a cool date night, and my wife and I had a good time. 
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