Harry Potter Deathly Hollows Pt 2 *something That Doesn't Make Sense

[prophecyistrue]

Dude... Did you just compare me to a pedophile? Um if you knew anything about me you would know I would punch you out in real life for comparing me to that monster.... I understand you may know nothing about me but comparing me to the person who did that to me... Grrrr

Ok its obvious reading isn't one of your strong suites.....I didn't compare you to a pedophile, I compared Harry Potter a "sorcerer" to a fictional "pedophile" saying if you support Harry would you support the pedophile.....

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Then making comparisons isn't a strong suit of you if you immediately compare a apple to a football. Derp derpidy derp.

Sin maybe sin but that doesn't mean you should compare the two. A murder is still worse than stealing a taco. If you can't make a basic argument that doesn't jump to an extreme like that, then why should anyone take you any more serious than my posts?

 

[prophecyistrue]

Then making comparisons isn't a strong suit of you if you immediately compare a apple to a football. Derp derpidy derp.

Sin maybe sin but that doesn't mean you should compare the two. A murder is still worse than stealing a taco. If you can't make a basic argument that doesn't jump to an extreme like that, then why should anyone take you any more serious than my posts?

A witch or a sorcerer in the old testiment were to be killed, the same justice would be metted out for anyone who was a sexual deviant such as a child molester. So I would say they are very comparable, but in light of social conditioning, those who practice witchcraft are not thought of as bad as they were a few hundred years ago, same with sexual sins, they pretty much are glorified on TV today, even you yourself are proud of the rebellion you have against God and His statutes. I would imagine another hundred years and even a pedophile could be a hero in one of these fictional stories, and christians then too will compare that loving good pedophile to some silly comparison with Christ......I can almost hear it already! "Jesus loved children too".......how sad

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Anyway, gosh Ron is so hot in the last one. Watching it now

 

[hollyda]

Let's see...

- Prophecy surrounding birth
- Unusually talented child
- Surrounded by a dedicated group of friends
- Constantly challenged
- First loved, then reviled
- Literally purged evil by sacrificing himself
- Rose from the dead
- Destroyed the great evil
- Was constantly noted on bravery, compassion, and love
- Had no want or need for earthly riches


Can't imagine why Harry Potter is compared to Jesus, can you?

 

[help_the_lord]

Guys guys guys, what has this thread degenerated into. This started as a question about a movie I favor to resolve an issue I didn't understand, and it has digressed into insults, and condemnation. If I like Harry potter or if I as a Christian watch it, thats between me and God. I know I don't need to take you back to simple texts such as these Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condomned:

And then to take this further to Harry Potter himself, sure he was a wizard but what did he stand for? Doing right no matter what the cost even if it meant his life. Nobody told him he'd get to come back to life once he got killed to stop evil he just did it because it was the right thing to do. Harry potter is a character who all throughout the series shows a strong sense of morals and standing up for what's right no matter what the costs. To that I apply these words.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the apperance, but judge rigtheous judgement.
The appearance of Harry potter is that of a wizard, but the moral message potrayed by him is much much different, in fact despite it's secular roots, I would go as far as to call it Christian. Harry risks his life, and his education for nothing other than love in all 7 movies, thus fufilling the commandment love thy neighbor as you love thyself. So despite his spells and hocus pocus, it's not at all what it seems.


Thanks guys for clearing up my question.. it still somewhat discourages me because Dumbledore also died on purpose so that Voldemort would trust snape, in much the same Martyr'esq manner as Harry but thats neither here nor there.

 

[Amber the Duskbringer]

Sorry I bit the bait too many times, I can't help it, its soooo deleeshus D:

 

[ToBeInChrist]

And then to take this further to Harry Potter himself, sure he was a wizard but what did he stand for? Doing right no matter what the cost even if it meant his life.

Doing right would mean repenting: renouncing sorcery, the use of magic potions, and the casting of spells.

Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Revelations 21:7-8 "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

 

[help_the_lord]

Doing right would mean repenting: renouncing sorcery, the use of magic potions, and the casting of spells.

Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Revelations 21:7-8 "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

stop being a judge.. you condem yourself with your own condemnation

Galatians 5:19-21 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

strife

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noun 1. vigorous or bitter conflict, discord, or antagonism: to be at strife.

2. a quarrel, struggle, or clash: armed strife.

3. competition or rivalry: the strife of the marketplace.

4. Archaic . strenuous effort.

Idiom 8. at variance, a. (of things) in a state of difference or disagreement.

b. (of persons) in a state of controversy or dissension: at variance with one's superiors.

 

[ToBeInChrist]

If you disagreed with the quotes from the Bible that I posted, your real problem is with God, and what God has already said about His judgments. I don't see why you would have a problem with me mentioning what the Bible says on a Christian forum.

My concern is with guarding my heart and practicing righteousness. I do not want to encourage my heart to be entertained with stories of sorcery, by stories where the heroes are sorcerer's apprentices. I mentioned Scriptures which express God's view on the subject of sorcery. God has revealed His views on sorcery, and His judgments. Why should my heart be entertained by things that have been understood for centuries to be sin by Christians and Jews all over the world?

 

[help_the_lord]

If you disagreed with the quotes from the Bible that I posted, your real problem is with God, and what God has already said about His judgments, not with me mentioning what the Bible says on a Christian forum.

My concern is with guarding my heart and practicing righteousness. I do not want to encourage my heart to be entertained with stories of sorcery, by stories where the heroes are sorcerer's apprentices. I mentioned Scriptures which express God's view on the subject of sorcery. God has revealed His views on sorcery, and His judgments.

Your misunderstanding what I'm saying entirely.. I don't want to come across as harsh however I want you to get the message I'm delivering more clearly. Please mind your own business, the movies I or any other Christian watches are my or thier business, of which I will have to explain to God, or they will not you. You are coming off as a judge and with little doubt a hypocrite. I'm sure I wouldn't have to dig very deep to find something questionable in your day to day life. With that being said lest you come to answer my threads question, find another thread to post in where your intellect can be better served.

 

[ToBeInChrist]

I'm just saying why I don't find Harry Potter entertaining, and mentioning some Scripture in response to what people are saying on a Christian forum.

I don't think what I said about guarding my heart, not wanting to be entertained by sin, etc., was all that hard to understand.

If you want to hear personal condemnation or judgment, you will hear it. I don't see you responding to anything I sad about guarding the heart, not being entertained by depictions of sin, Scripture, though.

 

[help_the_lord]

I'm just saying why I don't find Harry Potter entertaining, and mentioning some Scripture in response to what people are saying on a Christian forum.

I don't think what I said about guarding my heart, not wanting to be entertained by sin, etc., was all that hard to understand.

If you want to hear personal condemnation or judgment, you will hear it. I don't see you responding to anything I sad about guarding the heart, not being entertained by depictions of sin, Scripture, though.

none of what you had to say or any of the others, minus the first 2 or three had anything to do with why I made the thread... I'm not singling you out.. you just happened to jump out on guard against a blanket statement I was making twoards an entire group..

 

[ToBeInChrist]

Well yeah the thread has morphed and wandered.

 

[help_the_lord]

Well yeah the thread has morphed and wandered.

which is why I was frustrated lol.. especially since I'm still not satisfied with the answers I got. My question remains a quandry to me in which there is no good answer. At least not one I'll accept to be valid lol.. oh well hopefully I'll just forget about it

 

[prophecyistrue]

which is why I was frustrated lol.. especially since I'm still not satisfied with the answers I got. My question remains a quandry to me in which there is no good answer. At least not one I'll accept to be valid lol.. oh well hopefully I'll just forget about it

maybe God was trying to give you an answer, but you didn't listen

 

[help_the_lord]

Lol maybe

 

[Incariol]

On the contrary! Its very much in line with what your doing, God said he hates witchcraft and sorcery, and your in league with supporting a fictional character that practices sorcery. And I merely took a another sinful act, such as pedophilia, which every nation, country and state, finds disgusting and detestable and tried to get you to realize if someone wrote a fictional book about a pedophile who saved children from starvation and homelessness, just to sexually molest them, and make him the hero of the story, would you be willing to back up the pedophile the way you back up Harry Potter. This whole thing has been done a thousand times, Its called "conditioning" your being conditioned to support evil figures, over really evil characters, much like Robin Hood, stealing is stealing no thief is a good thief

Key part emphasized.

 

[mgs_pepe]

To answer the ORIGINAL QUESTION...it is because by the time JKR got to Half-Blood Prince, she realized things were off (at least it seemed that way since most of the characters did complete 180s from their original characters).

At the end of Half-Blood Prince, she set Harry up against an evil that, by no sane possible way even in a fiction fantasy book. Thus, came the inclusion of the "Deathly Hallows" that are supposed to be some all-powerful and mythical items brought into the world by death himself.

However, this contridicts many many things from the previous six books. For example, Harry's invisibility cloak is supposed to be a "cloak of true invisibility" that even DEATH COULDN'T SEE THROUGH. And yet, both Dumbledore AND Mad-Eye could see through the cloak.

The wand passing down by the previous own being defeated. What counts as defeat? Dumbledore sure didn't try and stop Malfoy. If anything, he let it happen in one of his elaborate plans. Harry defeated Malfoy and disarmed him. Voldemort defeated Harry in the same way that Malfoy defeated Dumbledore, by Harry allowing it to happen.

And of course, those are the plot holes brought about just by those two things. That doesn't include The Idiot...I mean Ron...speaking parsaltounge (something JKR stated in book 2 or 4 couldn't be learned) because he heard Harry speak it once (shown) in book 2 and once in book 7, Harry casting all those spells during the escape from Privet Drive and never once getting an underaged use of magic warning, and other more subtle ones (quite honestly, I refuse to read that last book again to get a list of all the contridictions).



Now, that all being said, and from the point of view of an English major, I see more Christ-like atributes in the Harry Potter series than in the Narnia series. In all honestly, I personally believe the only reason Narnia is allowed by Christian schools and parents is because Lewis said he was a Christian and JKR didn't make any comments on her religious views until well after Deathly Hallows came out.

 

[Nilloc]

(at least it seemed that way since most of the characters did complete 180s from their original characters).

Six years have passed since the original book. People change. Especially teenagers. I was a completely different person when I was 17 than when I was 11. And I’m a very different person even now.

At the end of Half-Blood Prince, she set Harry up against an evil that, by no sane possible way even in a fiction fantasy book. Thus, came the inclusion of the "Deathly Hallows" that are supposed to be some all-powerful and mythical items brought into the world by death himself.

I’m pretty sure she had most of the story planned out long before coming to Deathly Hallows. Especially defeating the main villain!

However, this contridicts many many things from the previous six books. For example, Harry's invisibility cloak is supposed to be a "cloak of true invisibility" that even DEATH COULDN'T SEE THROUGH. And yet, both Dumbledore AND Mad-Eye could see through the cloak.

Dumbledore clearly says at the end of Deathly Hallows that the Tale of the Three Brothers is just a myth. Death didn’t really give the Peverell brothers the Hallows; they were just great inventors, and later on people made up this legend about the Hallows. The point of the myth is to set up a parallel between the brothers and Harry, Dumbledore, and Voldermort, as well as showing Harry as the master of death.

The wand passing down by the previous own being defeated. What counts as defeat? Dumbledore sure didn't try and stop Malfoy. If anything, he let it happen in one of his elaborate plans. Harry defeated Malfoy and disarmed him. Voldemort defeated Harry in the same way that Malfoy defeated Dumbledore, by Harry allowing it to happen.

No, Dumbledore says he wanted Snape to end up with the wand, so he didn’t want Malfoy to have it or become its master. And, if I recall from Half-Blood Prince, Malfoy disarms Dumbledore a second after Dumbledore casts the full body-bind spell on Harry. Dumbledore was caught off guard and thus couldn’t have been willing for it to happen. It isn’t even close to what happened with Harry.



They screwed this up in the movie of course, but that has no bearing on the book.