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Ever since the third movie, they constantly add in stupid, pointless little things like that because . . . I don't know. I mean, they have all this story to get out and instead waste theirs and our time by adding in scenes like Harry trying to capture his book that is alive, talking with that Nigel kid, or, as you said, adding in weird kissing scenes.most of the movie was bad and didn't make sense. Not to mention the random kissing moments that would burst out of nowhere. there was like 3 of them lol, and they would happen whenever the characters had A LOT more important things to do at the moment.
Now, that all being said, and from the point of view of an English major, I see more Christ-like atributes in the Harry Potter series than in the Narnia series. In all honestly, I personally believe the only reason Narnia is allowed by Christian schools and parents is because Lewis said he was a Christian and JKR didn't make any comments on her religious views until well after Deathly Hallows came out.
And yet the Bible compares Jesus to Adam, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, and Israel itself, and they were all sinners. In one place in Paul, he compares God the Father to Abraham.All that being said, and from the point of view of a Christian who's familiar with the Bible and the Gospels in the NT, Jesus was not a sorcerer, Jesus was the messiah of the Jews and fulfilled the Law, he did not encourage the chanting of spells or the channeling of spirits or divination, etc. Jesus is the only Son of God, without sin, God and man, the only way to the Father, my Savior and Lord.
There is NO comparison between a teenage sorcerer apprentice and Jesus.
He wasn't a sinner either, but the writers of the NT had no problem with comparing him to sinners.It's not a dodge at all. Jesus was not a sorcerer.
Nor do I, nor has anyone on this thread. But I'm sure you, like all anti-Potter people, will just repeat the line over and over. Repetition beats good evidence I guess.Jesus did not encourage anyone to practice casting spells, etc.
Sinful persons who did sinful things. There's no getting around that.If you look at the comparisons made in Scripture, they connect the incarnation and the saving work of Jesus on the cross to other events and persons of sacred history.
The Gospels don't say there's anything wrong with making literary parallels between Jesus and sinners, just the opposite. You're the one who needs to re-read the Gospels. The real Jesus had no problem being compared to sinners, but you do.If you can so flippantly compare Harry Potter to Jesus, you really need to re-read the Gospels, prayerfully, and ask to know the real Jesus.
I thought that that would be fairly obvious. One, its just a fun literary exercise. And two, making biblical comparisons in fiction is another way to present Christianity.What is the point of any comparison, what is meant by any such comparison.... You haven't dealt with those issues at all.
Why does there have to be a point? Can I not make a biblical comparison just for the sake of making one? Im writing a fictional story right now with biblical parallels, just because I realized I can make some pretty good ones, as well as make the story and symbolism richer and deeper.So my questions remain unanswered. You are the one dodging.
It also says Hes like Adam, the original sinner; like David, the adulterer; like Joshua, the mass murderer; like Solomon, the idolater. They compare Him to sinners. Just like we compare Christ to Harry Potter.Scripture mentions Jesus as son of Adam, son of God, the seed of Abraham, etc.
Just like the people I mentioned above. In fact, I think Harry was in a lot of ways more moral that some of them.an apprentice sorcerer who lies, is rebellious and vindictive, steals, etc
The witchcraft condemned in the Bible isnt the kind in Harry Potter. If that kind of witchcraft really existed and people practiced it, it wouldnt be sinful. Of course Ive seen you ignore that on threads on GT, so I not sure why I should even bother to bring it up here.Harry doesn't repent of sorcery in the series, does he?
In the story he does save people, but that doesnt mean I think hes my savior in real life, or even in the story that he would somehow he would replace Christ. J.K. Rowling is a Christian and I doubt she would say that Harry Potter is her savior. Of course no reasonable person would think that, unless you have to make some ridiculous argument against Harry Potter.Surely a Christian would not present Harry as a savior of sinners or lord or Son of God -- such would be blasphemy.
Harry dies and comes back to life to save people, just as Jesus died and came back to life to save us. Are you really so dense as to not understand this?So what comparison are you really making?
What is the point of any comparison, what is meant by any such comparison.... You haven't dealt with those issues at all.
So my questions remain unanswered. You are the one dodging. Scripture mentions Jesus as son of Adam, son of God, the seed of Abraham, etc.
You say you see comparisons between Jesus and a character in fiction: an apprentice sorcerer who lies, is rebellious and vindictive, steals, etc. You fail to answer my questions about what kind of comparison you are making and how inappropriate such a comparison is.
Jesus was without sin. Jesus died for sinners. Sinners who repented of sin, who had faith in the messiah are mentioned in Scripture in connection to Christ: what is your point? Harry doesn't repent of sorcery in the series, does he? Surely a Christian would not present Harry as a savior of sinners or lord or Son of God -- such would be blasphemy. So what comparison are you really making? Pagans and heretics make all sorts of comparisons too.
Why does there have to be a point? Can I not make a biblical comparison just for the sake of making one? I’m writing a fictional story right now with biblical parallels, just because I realized I can make some pretty good ones, as well as make the story and symbolism richer and deeper.
And isn't it interesting that at first your argument was it's wrong to compare Christ to sinners, but when I pointed out that the NT authors do that, you then changed your argument and said its okay to do that, just as long as its for some undefined point that you're okay with.
The witchcraft condemned in the Bible isn’t the kind in Harry Potter. If that kind of witchcraft really existed and people practiced it, it wouldn’t be sinful.
Harry “dies” and comes back to life to save people, just as Jesus died and came back to life to save us. Are you really so dense as to not understand this?
And as I already said, the witchcraft in Harry Potter is not sinful, but it seems that you've decided to ignore my posts completely now instead of just ignoring some points.I don't deny that people may come to adopt different attitudes or become interested in the Bible for all sorts of reasons.
I don't deny that people's reactions are different.
I simply find it important to bring up certain distinctions and issues, re: differences between stories about apprentice sorcerers or monster heroes and stories about non-sorcerers who defeat witches or monsters, differences between having a heart that is entertained by things that are sinful and having a heart that is entertained by things that are of God, differences between encouraging or discouraging the entertainment of sin, between glorifying things of this world or sinful things or discrediting/minimizing Christ or truly glorifying Christ.
And as I already said, the witchcraft in Harry Potter is not sinful, but it seems that you've decided to ignore my posts completely now instead of just ignoring some points.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7579420-7/#post58541804
You are correct. I was in the hurry this afternoon and I do apologize.Maybe you missed my answers. Harry potter mutters incantations, doesn't he?
I dont understand what youre asking about it being meaningful. Its a fun exercise and can be a way to explain Christianity. Why does it need to be something more than that? Sure false religions have biblical parallels. What does that have to do with anything? Harry Potter is not a false religion.Just how meaningful is it to say something has 'Biblical parallels?' -- many false religions have some 'Biblical parallels'? Just what is meant by a comparison or parallel? Please inform me.
There is and just repeating it over and over again doesnt change anything. Have you actually read the books btw?What I actually said was "There is NO comparison between a teenage sorcerer apprentice and Jesus."
Says anyone who understands that the OT was not written to twenty-first century Americans and what is being discussed in the OT has nothing to do with Harry Potter.Says who?
Not with the help a pagan god though. Muttering a bunch of Latin and pseudo-Latin phrases isnt what the OT was talking about. And even if it was, its just a story. Nobody believes its true. Only Fundamentalist fear mongering would have you believe that its harmful.He casts spells.
Doesn't he seek out conversations with the dead or spirits
None of which has anything to do with what was being condemned in the OT. Harry and his friends dont call upon some pagan god to do these things.practice divination and enchantments and magic potion-making, etc?
So what? Neither Harry Potter nor J.K. Rowling is a pagan. In fact the latter has affirmed she is a Christian and there are some clues in the books to suggest the former is a Christian as well.As I said, various pagans and heretics make various comparisons to Christ.
Yes there is. Comparisons and parallels that dont have to be perfect. Just look at all similes in the Bible for God and Jesus and youll see theyre not perfect comparisons, because perfect comparisons can be very rare, especially in religion. Of course the fact that the NT does compare Christ to imperfect things is still lost on you apparently.There isn't any real comparison between a lying thieving rebellious vindictive teenage sorcerer, or some character in some pagan myth, and Jesus Christ.
Harry and his friends demonstrate a lot of great Christian values and shows what it can be like for teenagers to grow up, your ignorant comments not withstanding.That not all of it is copied directly from grimoires or that there is creative license involved doesn't make Harry Potter a proponent of humble prayer and Christian righteousness.
You could describe what Jesus did in his miracles as magic. Sure He doesnt say any words, but if some guy was around today doing the same things Jesus did, Im sure youd call that magic.
And you still ignore why witchcraft is condemned--it's okay though, I understand to do so completely undermines your position.So he does sorcery, he's reciting incantations for magical effect, making potions, casting enchantments -- all of which is forbidden in Scripture -- all of it is identified as sinful in the OT and NT.
You must distinguish between them because your position demands you do. A guy talks with dead people, raises the dead, and performs hearings. Could be reasonably described as "magic" to me.Pagans, apostates, heretics, and all sorts of new agers, occults and members of false religions say stuff like that, but as a Christian, I clearly distinguish between miracles and occultism or magic.
And you still ignore why witchcraft is condemned--it's okay though, I understand to do so completely undermines your position.
It's not because of saying spells or making potions are bad inherently, it's because it was used as worship of pagan gods.
You must distinguish between them because your position demands you do. A guy talks with dead people, raises the dead, and performs hearings. Could be reasonably described as "magic" to me.
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