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What if God is leading you through the valleys and up the mountains?
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What if God is leading you through the valleys and up the mountains?worn out knees for GOOD reasons!
Walking up mountains or trail hiking does NOT count!
I would beg to differ. Having read all six books currently out (and anxiously awaiting the release of the seventh tomorrow), I have found that the books don't do as you claim.I personally think that Harry Potter is very blasphemous, saying that these people can perform "magic" and are therefore aere stronger than God. This is a danger to children, who are very suseptible to these things.
Tolkein's world is as Christian themed as Harry Potter. But I digress. Kids are going to imagine things anyway, with or without Harry Potter. At least these books try to show right from wrong, in a realistic (albeit magical) setting. They don't show that magic is a cure-all, or that witchcraft is something desireable. They show that the magic that they use should be used for good.It's just a story? Well music is "just music" too but guess what, music is what led me into Satanism before I got saved. Stories, like music, are very influential. Especially to children. Please think about this stuff before just putting it off as nothing more than a story. And the Lord of the Rings? If you know anything about Tolkien or the Lord of the Rings you would know that it IS Christian themed, I've learned alot from the writings of Tolkien. There is nothing okay about Harry Potter.
If Harry Potter is such a bad movie, then I feel that no movie is good.I can tell you why I care so much - because God told us to.
Do we need to argue about that?
I really think you will be arguing with God then which is why we wrestle with the flesh so often.
The Gospel is not to be watered down to suit man; we must build ourselves up through our relationship with God to come into line with the Gospel and Gods teachings. That is the purpose of church and Pastors etc etc. So we can be educated in the Good News that will set us FREE.
If you are a believer then you will believe that you have been chosen with your name written in the book of life for eternal life. That is what I care about.
If you believe then you must believe the WHOLE bible which tells us that we will go to heaven.
Let me ask you straight.
If Jesus asked you to take Him to a movie would you be comfortable taking Him to see Harry Potter.
We are surrounded by the temptations and seductions of the world; these are not from Christ and who can be against Him? Oil & water do not mix.
It takes a long time to get to a place of strong relationship with Christ and only a few moments to enter into sin which brings disconnection from God. Of course God forgives the sinner but the enemy knows your weak point and that is where he is going to attack you. If you fall it is because you gave the enemy an inch and that same enemy wants to take your life while Christ wants to give you eternal life.
That is why God gave us choices.
Make your choices wisely.
God Bless you
I don't agree with you, but I find it interesting that your avatar is from Howl's Moving Castle (an excellent film, I might add), but you are here ranting against Harry Potter.its amazing this debate has gone on for as long as it has.
Yes, I personall think Harry potter should be avoided. I still read them, with the knowledge they are BAD.
Some ppl in here compare the magic in Harry Potter to that of Mikey Mouse and Gandalf.
HOW STUPID! Think before you open your mouth!
Magic is magic, yes, and if kids know its bad, then ok. alot of magic is fictional. But lets look at the differences between Harry Potter an the rest you all so foolishly put in the same category:
1) Harry Potter, unlike others listed, is set in the real world, at real time, with real places. LotR and co. are fictional - to the core. The landmarks around England where HP is being filmed are a worldwide tourist attraction now. The story itself relevates to real world activity. IT co-exists with "muggles" - normal people. Definitely not fictional people. Readers can relevate to normal life.
2) There seems to be a debate over wether J.K. Rowling did her research before writing the books. That in itself is a reason to halt and think. If she did - big IF I know - then every spell our children are learning is witchcraft. Since we don't know, are we willing to take those risks? Real magic is not a thing to play with. Especially not for christians. People may come back and say "Where's the proof?!". Physically I have no proof. By word of mouth and reading, however, I have heard some mentionings in J.K's interviews that suggest such a thing has happened.
From what I typed here, this is the basis of why I dont believe HP books are just "fiction", and harmless.
Who agrees with me?
The spells in Harry Potter are made up words. To move someting is "Locomotor" -like "locomtion". JKR seems to use a lot latin derrived words.Witchcraft certainly does exist in reality. Once, many years ago, I had a woman living next door to me who called herself a "white witch". I was young at the time, and didn't really know much about the subject. All I know is that this lady would perform rituals in the middle of the night and early morning, and God would awaken my mother and tell her to pray against it. Also, another time there was a possessed woman in my old church. She dabbled in witchcraft and sorcery and one day gave my mother some items as a gift. I don't remember what the items were, something like flowers; something common and casual. My mother was almost immediately convicted to throw away the items, because they were bringing unclean spirits into our household. The truth is this stuff is all too real, and I have heard from a few Christians that the spells and curses in the Harry Potter series are based off of real ones. Now I wouldn't go so far as to burn all the Harry Potter books I see, but I would stay away from them and not read them. Why even take a chance? It is our duty as Christians to stay pure and holy, and witchcraft (or the "idea" of witchcraft) is neither.
Tolkein's world is as Christian themed as Harry Potter. But I digress. Kids are going to imagine things anyway, with or without Harry Potter. At least these books try to show right from wrong, in a realistic (albeit magical) setting. They don't show that magic is a cure-all, or that witchcraft is something desireable. They show that the magic that they use should be used for good.
I hardly think that Harry Potter will cause kids to move away from Christianity.
The spells in Harry Potter are made up words. To move someting is "Locomotor" -like "locomtion". JKR seems to use a lot latin derrived words.
As a personal note, I don't think spells are real. Magic does not exist in reality, but the dangers of pursing such falacy are real.
Yes. And besides that, any kid knows that what they are reading is fiction. If they don't, then they've got problems that go beyond Harry Potter.
Shalom,
I would like to ask you if you feel that HP will not cause kids to move away from Christianity
Is that based on a Holy Spirit filled relationship you have with God ?
Blessings
I believe the Bible. I just don't believe that someone can do real magic. I consider the magicians mentioned in the Bible as more David Copperfield-type: illusionists. I really don't believe someone could wave a stick around, say a few well-chosen words, and change their hedgehog into a pin-cushion.
Brother,
Do you read the Bible ? See how many times magicians are reffered to
GE 41:8
And it came to pass in the morning that his spirit was troubled; and he sent and called for all the MAGICians of Egypt, and all the wise men thereof: and Pharaoh told them his dream; but there was none that could interpret them unto Pharaoh.
GE 41:24
And the thin ears devoured the seven good ears: and I told this unto the MAGICians; but there was none that could declare it to me.
Thats just Genesis.
Do you say therefore you dont believe the Bible ?
Blessings
I believe the Bible. I just don't believe that someone can do real magic. I consider the magicians mentioned in the Bible as more David Copperfield-type: illusionists. I really don't believe someone could wave a stick around, say a few well-chosen words, and change their hedgehog into a pin-cushion.
I would think that if something as silly as a Harry Potter novel would cause someone to fall away from Christ, then they never had anything real invested in Christianity in the first place.
That coupled with the inability of Christian "leaders" to give sensible, coherent answers in regards to questions of a "spiritual" nature outside the realm of Christianity. "No, that's wrong, you'll go to hell" just doesn't cut it anymore.
As I said, I was born and raised as a Christian, I have nothing against Christianity, I myself am a Christian; I only have issue SOME of the folks who claim to represent it.Hey brother,
Perhaps you can share with us what it was that led you to occult practice?
Was it dabbling in magic, music or just a dislike of Christianity?
Would be good to hear how you have come back to loving GOD as your saviour again. Did you have to be delivered of your involvement in the occult?
I think that would be pertinent to share that as we are all discussing how “things” can lead people into the occult and your experience in that would be a blessing for us to hear.
Bless you brother.
As I said, I was born and raised as a Christian, I have nothing against Christianity, I myself am a Christian; I only have issue SOME of the folks who claim to represent it.
Most Christians believe in deliverance for those that have been practicing in the occult.No, I didn't need deliverance, at least not in the sense that you are most likely talking about.
In all honesty, reading and studying the Bible got me interested in the occult. That coupled with the fact that my Mom in particular familiarized me with astral travel and out of body experiences when I was quite young, probably about 9 or 10 years old.
In all honesty, reading and studying the Bible got me interested in the occult.
What exactly is "Occult" to you? If one is born with an "ability" that is strange to others does that mean that this particular individual is inherently evil?
As have I. I have known and been aware of His presence all my life. He has been with me and has delivered me from things you could not imagine from day 1, everyone's experiences are not the same.I was also “raised” as a Christian. But only really became a Christian when I started to have a relationship with God.
Really? Wow! All I said was that my Mom introduced me to the concept of astral travel. From that you get that I OBVIOUSLY come from a line of practicing occultists...let me guess, blood rituals right? LOL!So obviously your bloodline has practiced occultist rituals ? All the more reason for deliverance.
Wow, just wow. Blaming who, the Bible? Never! I thank God for showing me the things He has, for opening my eyes and letting me see and smell those shoveling bs from 10 miles away.Do I detect some blaming going on here ?
But it is YOU that is dictating your own version on what the Lord says regarding the occult or hidden teachings. And your not even sure about that, since we haven't established any particular practice yet. You are thinking in very *small* terms, occult= evil, satan, black magic, etc..It doesn’t matter what the occult is to me, what is important is what Our LORD GOD says and commands of US ALL regarding the occult.
She never was, she just had a curiosity concerning such things since it happened to her when she was young, then to me when I was sick.I find it interesting that your mother was teaching you out of body at a very young age. Is your mother still involved in occult practice ?
As have I. I have known and been aware of His presence all my life. He has been with me and has delivered me from things you could not imagine from day 1, everyone's experiences are not the same.
Really? Wow! All I said was that my Mom introduced me to the concept of astral travel. From that you get that I OBVIOUSLY come from a line of practicing occultists...let me guess, blood rituals right? LOL!
Wow, just wow. Blaming who, the Bible? Never! I thank God for showing me the things He has, for opening my eyes and letting me see and smell those shoveling bs from 10 miles away.
But it is YOU that is dictating your own version on what the Lord says regarding the occult or hidden teachings. And your not even sure about that, since we haven't established any particular practice yet. You are thinking in very *small* terms, occult= evil, satan, black magic, etc..
She never was, she just had a curiosity concerning such things since it happened to her when she was young, then to me when I was sick.
Re prayer: No thanks. I'm not interested, in my opinion, the doctrine of generational curses is unbiblical. I also disagree in general with most ideas associated with what is now called "deliverance." I do not feel that all people need human intervention to overcome their personal demons, Jesus Christ is sufficent for me. I am strong in Christ and have a personal relationship with Him as corney as that may sound.
Have a blessed day.
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