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“A fundamental principle of ... American democracy is that when we lose an election, we accept the results. That principle, as much as any other, distinguishes democracy from monarchy or tyranny. And anyone who seeks the public’s trust must honor it.” -Kamala Harris

Has Kamala not heard of Constitutional Monarchies?

It is not like UK, Canada, Australia, NZ, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Spain, Thailand, Japan, Malaysia, Jamaica, Antigua and Barbuda, The Bahamas, Belize, Grenada, Jamaica, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Liechenstein, Monaco, Jordan, Kuwait, Bahrain, Belguim, Lesotho, Cambodia don't exist.
 
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Did Kamala say this.
 
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I was going to say if this is coming from Kamala then she has a hide and is displaying gross hypocracy. All throughout the years and especially displayed during the election which exposed the true beliefs of Harris and the Left was the constant framing of the Right as Facists, Hitlers and garbage which was denying democracy. Denying the legitimate concerns of over half the population.

The constant lawfare and use of government power to attack political opponents. Even the attempted assassination of a political leader was secretly hoped for and many of the Left expressed this.

So I cannot see any value in Kamala standing on that quote. It rings hallow and even a total detachment from reality that they truely believe they are representing that quote. What all this narrative was actually doing was denying democracy. Its not accepting the beliefs and views of all Trump supporters and making out its a illigitimate politics, belief, opinion and the Left are the only arbitors of true democracy.

In fact its like the pot calling the kettle black. Quite often those who are guilty of the very thing they claim they stand against do so to cover the fact that they themselves have been engaging in that very behaviour. Thats why they make it an issue and its because they make it an issue reflects their own beliefs and not the opposition.

If its a media quote then that only shows how much the media were also implicit in promoting such ideas. If you see some of the narratives from the Left media they are not shy to even express this to our faces. There is no pretense anymore. They are literally telling people they think they are scum for believing what they believe.
 
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This result was not so much a shock as a disappointment. It says more about the American people and where they are at than it does about the real issues facing the USA and the world right now. Americans felt ignored by the media and a "deep state" elite and this vote is payback to Democrats that took them for granted. Americans feel short-changed by inflation but will not fight the deep inequality that exacerbates the pains they suffer in that respect nor do they seem prepared to understand why that inflation occurred in the first place - mainly due to global reasons. Americans voted to deport the illegal aliens even though many are descended from such people.

Kamala was not the right candidate for this fight and changing your quarterback without tryouts so late in the game was probably a mistake. Biden should have stepped down earlier. But she showed courage and character in accepting defeat and congratulated Trump with some grace. She will cooperate with the peaceful transfer of power. On all those points Trump failed quite miserably in 2020 and then spent much of the last 4 years lying about not being defeated. The Democrats have lost but are not sore losers like he was in 2020.

 
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This result was not so much a shock as a disappointment. It says more about the American people and where they are at than it does about the real issues facing the USA and the world right now.
Why should it be just about world issues or that world issues should be more of a concern than local issues. When people say that the election result is more about where people are at and then go on to speak about other issues they should be more concerned about its actually saying those voters don't know whats important.

I think it was about local issues. The cost of living and immigration and security. A little bit of world politics with the wars going on as this was also reflected in the troubles the US had locally like on Campus and the parties split on supporting Isreal.

But it seems Trump appeal increased across most demographics. Jews, Muslims, Hispanics and blacks uniting to have peace locally and internationally.

But like most elections for many it basically came down to "am I doing better than I did 4 years ago" across a number of issues.
Americans felt ignored by the media and a "deep state" elite and this vote is payback to Democrats that took them for granted.
But the Dems seem to be part of that 'deep state' even the cultivator of it with all the gaslighting.
I think your short changing the reasons why people voted for Trump. I think they were a lot smarter than people think and understood the issues pretty much how they are in reality. The US has a big immigration problem and the Left made it worse. Its not about equality. Its about having some sort of organisation and process to make it fair and avoid chaos like what has happened at the border.

I don't think anyone understands inflation lol. I agree the economy is not well understood by most. Unfortunately that means for most it comes down to the cost of living. But I think people also seen the Dems had no real economic vision and it would probably be more of the same.
But the whole predicament was part of who the Dems became I think. They allowed ideology to dictate which blinded them from reality. Thats what happens when ideology belief becomes the motivation. As with any belief its not based in reality and people will deny all sorts of things that are happening before they eyes.

Its not that the Dems did not know of Bidens decline years ago. Its that they knew but denied it by justifying this as necessary to uphold the ideology. But they got busted. If Biden had not stumbled so bad they would have stuck with him to the end.

Even now they believe that Biden is ok as president. This has been the most obvious and neglected reality that no one talks about. Its got to a point where the Left is explicitly gas lighting people and they know it. They can't be that unaware.
She will cooperate with the peaceful transfer of power.
I hope so.
On all those points Trump failed quite miserably in 2020 and then spent much of the last 4 years lying about not being defeated. The Democrats have lost but are not sore losers like he was in 2020.

Yes he was a bit of a whinger on that. I guess thats what super competitive people do. They hate losing. But then I can recall the Dems, I think Hillary going on about all sorts of conspiriacy theories of why she lost the election and the Left whinging as well.

Oh well hopefull he will be a bit more mature about it this time. I think he has learnt a lot. Plus its good that he has a team appraoch where there are co chairs and inputs which make it more democratic.

Kamala was gracious, good on her. But it sort of rings hallow when you consider all the baiting and false narratives she painted the opposition as illegitimate and facists that would destroy democracy and the lawfare and use of State power to go after the opposition. That is more or less not being gracious to Trump and his supporters and democracy.
 
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I would say the Democrats have demonstrated how unserious they are so far based on their rhetoric regarding Trump. If they are willing to hand power over to someone they deem an existential threat to democracy, a fascist and evil then it shows they never believed in their own rhetoric and that the last 8 years have been so vitriolioc for no reason.

We'll have to see what happens but if they truly believe Trump is going to establish the 4th Reich then the logic of their belief may compel them to act.
 
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Well, except for Hillary Clinton, who IS a sore loser and continued to say that Trump was an illegitimate president for years after her loss. And all those who parroted her. I do hope Kamala Harris does not follow suit.

It's disturbing to see a number of Democrats that last couple days, like Governors Hochul and Pritzker, and AG Letitia James promising to "continue the fight" against....what"? The majority of citizens who voted Trump into office? Is that really really what they intend to do? Wage war against citizens and the President instead of accept the loss and maybe learn the lessons that led to it?
 
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Hilary was a sore loser in 16,Trump in 20 , but Harris seems to have bucked the trend.
 
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On all those points Trump failed quite miserably in 2020 and then spent much of the last 4 years lying about not being defeated. The Democrats have lost but are not sore losers like he was in 2020.
Really?

On that point you might want to speak with Hillary Clinton, who did, and does, claim that the '16 election was "stolen" from her via "Russian Collusion". She still holds that she was the legitimately elcted president. (Drat that Electoral College!) In fact, the sole business of the Legislative branch of the US gov't for 4 years was to try to prove that Trump had "colluded" with the Russians to rig the election (even claiming that they had such evidence (which in fact they did not, as there was none), and to remove the Constituionally elected POTUS from office. "Election Denial", you see, is laudable coming from a Democrats, but prima facie evidence that the "denier" is a Fascist and an Enemy of the Constitution coming from a Republican.

Their attempt at a "silent coup" failed, and so their attempts to keep Trump from returning to the White House turned to "lawfare", with a program of malicious prosecution unequalled in thre history of the US.

That didn't work either.

Rank hypocrisy? The very rankest.
Sleazy behavior? The sleaziest kind.
But the people had enough of it.
The coup attempts failed,
Trump's back, warts and all.
"Sail on, O ship of state..."
 
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Hilary lost in 2016 and moaned about it. Trump lost in 2020, lied about it for 4 years, was convicted for various crimes, and now the American people have given him a second chance despite all that. That is the reality here.
 
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Hilary was a sore loser in 16,Trump in 20 , but Harris seems to have bucked the trend.
To big a loss to pretend you won.
Now just where did the those 15 million Biden voters go?
First African/South Asian women, Jan 6 insurrection, felony charges verses Biden the bland, but he got 15 million more??
 
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Hilary was a sore loser in 16,Trump in 20 , but Harris seems to have bucked the trend.
So far. We shall see. Hillary read a concession speech, and then proceeded to call Trump an "illegitimate president" and say the "election was stolen" for years afterward.

Hopefully Harris does better. The more honest pundits are admitting that the election result has nothing to do with racism or sexism, but with bad policy and the stranglehold of the extreme left on the party. The American people spoke decisively about this.
 
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To big a loss to pretend you won.
Now just where did the those 15 million Biden voters go?
First African/South Asian women, Jan 6 insurrection, felony charges verses Biden the bland, but he got 15 million more??
Election Denier, much? Shame shame...
 
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It seems she has an issue with Christian countries that have a Christian King or Queen...not too surprised.

This was never intended for America.
 
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