Hallowed be thy name...

[DamianWarS]

I was reading the Lord's prayer in a different language and was interested to see that the line "Hallowed be thy name" (KJV) or "hallowed be your name" (modern) is translated to a line that literally says "You are the one God"

What do you think of this translation? The greek seems to confirm the holy/set apart theme but does declaring that God is the one true God hit the same mark?

 

[Dave-W]

The Our Father (Lord's Prayer) came from synagogue prayers: The Kaddish, the Alenu and possibly part of the Amidah.

I would suggest you look at the opening lines of all 3 of those prayers.

 

[Greg J.]

The meaning of to hallow your name is roughly to set God's name and who it stands for apart as holy, and that it and he should be treated with reverence by people. Translators can only translate into a language for a given culture. The differences might be due to how the intended audience would understand that phrase. There's also such thing as poor translating for pieces of a Bible.

 

[Alan Asquith]

"You are the one God" is just a statement, whereas "Hallowed be your name" is an imperative - grammatically it's like saying "Make this happen!" or "Do this!"

 

[Ken Rank]

I was reading the Lord's prayer in a different language and was interested to see that the line "Hallowed be thy name" (KJV) or "hallowed be your name" (modern) is translated to a line that literally says "You are the one God"

What do you think of this translation? The greek seems to confirm the holy/set apart theme but does declaring that God is the one true God hit the same mark?

Hallowed (hagiazō) means holy... to be set apart from profane things. But here is where it is interesting... in Hebrew, "name" (shem) is in part what we call somebody, but more often is dealing with the name bearers character, reputation, and authority. So to "walk in the name of God" is to walk within His authority, in a manner that reflects His character and that adds to His reputation. To "profane His name" is to act in such a way that His character appears common, His authority weakened, and/or His reputation taken from rather than added to.

So... to set apart His name is to set apart His character and authority from anything common or profane.

 

[Halbhh]

I was reading the Lord's prayer in a different language and was interested to see that the line "Hallowed be thy name" (KJV) or "hallowed be your name" (modern) is translated to a line that literally says "You are the one God"

What do you think of this translation? The greek seems to confirm the holy/set apart theme but does declaring that God is the one true God hit the same mark?

Interesting, but I wasn't able to confirm that and wonder what's the source. Both Young's and Berean literal say 'hallowed', and Meyer's NT says -- "ἁγιασθήτω] Chrysost., Euth. Zigabenus, δοξασθήτω; more precisely, let it be kept sacred..."
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/6-9.htm

 

[DamianWarS]

Hallowed (hagiazō) means holy... to be set apart from profane things. But here is where it is interesting... in Hebrew, "name" (shem) is in part what we call somebody, but more often is dealing with the name bearers character, reputation, and authority. So to "walk in the name of God" is to walk within His authority, in a manner that reflects His character and that adds to His reputation. To "profane His name" is to act in such a way that His character appears common, His authority weakened, and/or His reputation taken from rather than added to.

So... to set apart His name is to set apart His character and authority from anything common or profane.

thanks for your reply, care to comment on the translation saying "You are the one God"

 

[Ken Rank]

thanks for your reply, care to comment on the translation saying "You are the one God"

I kind of just did. It doesn't say "You are the one God." There are three Greek words in that part of the verse.

Hagiazō means to make holy (to set apart).

Sou is of, thee, or thy

Onoma is name, character, or authority

So literally, that part is "Set apart is your name." There is no "theos" in that part of the verse so 'God' can't be a translation. The Greek "heis" would likely be the word for one and it isn't in that part of the verse either. So "You are the one God" isn't supported in this verse... even though we both know He is the one God.

Blessings.

 

[DamianWarS]

"You are the one God" is just a statement, whereas "Hallowed be your name" is an imperative - grammatically it's like saying "Make this happen!" or "Do this!"

I'm not going to put the exact quote but I will say the "You" word is grammatically a 2nd person singular and used reverantly for royalty or gods (almost like saying "thou art") The word also has a grammatical marker that turns it into a imperative but uniquely a submissive honoring imperative -if that makes any sense. So even more literally it says "thou-art-[honoring-imperative-marker] God that-is one.

 

[DamianWarS]

I kind of just did. It doesn't say "You are the one God." There are three Greek words in that part of the verse.

Hagiazō means to make holy (to set apart).

Sou is of, thee, or thy

Onoma is name, character, or authority

So literally, that part is "Set apart is your name." There is no "theos" in that part of the verse so 'God' can't be a translation. The Greek "heis" would likely be the word for one and it isn't in that part of the verse either. So "You are the one God" isn't supported in this verse... even though we both know He is the one God.

Blessings.

so you disagree with translating it this way?

 

[Ken Rank]

so you disagree with translating it this way?

That Hagiazō sou onoma means "You are the one God?" Absolutely I disagree... you can't translate hagaizo as you are, it means to be made holy, set apart...not "you are." The word "theos" isn't in it, so you can't get "God" from ANY of those words. Yes I disagree.

 

[DamianWarS]

That Hagiazō sou onoma means "You are the one God?" Absolutely I disagree... you can't translate hagaizo as you are, it means to be made holy, set apart...not "you are." The word "theos" isn't in it, so you can't get "God" from ANY of those words. Yes I disagree.

Good to know, thanks for your response

 

[com7fy8]

does declaring that God is the one true God hit the same mark?

Possibly, God's name means, as I think ones have said, what names God. The label "God" or "Father" alone can not identify Him. We see how various people think of very different beings when you say "God".

So, what really does name God? Among other things, His love. Also, how Jesus is has all to do with who and how God is. Jesus did not come just to tell us how to pronounce some name of God, but Jesus came to reveal who and how God is.

 

[eleos1954]

I was reading the Lord's prayer in a different language and was interested to see that the line "Hallowed be thy name" (KJV) or "hallowed be your name" (modern) is translated to a line that literally says "You are the one God"

What do you think of this translation? The greek seems to confirm the holy/set apart theme but does declaring that God is the one true God hit the same mark?

He IS the one God and IS Holy and therefore IS set apart.

 

[Ken Rank]

He IS the one God and IS Holy and therefore IS set apart.

But that makes it a paraphrase and not a translation

 

[Hazelelponi]

Well someone answered.. lol.

 

[Knee V]

Was this an English translation, or another language? If this were another language (and you're simply translating their translation into English), I would have to know more about it, as sometimes there is no way to say something in one language that exists in another language, so the translator has to find the closest equivalent in that language.