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[Chesterton]

Unpaid overtime is what working as a salaried position is like.

What it's like in what way?

 

[Speedwell]

So he'd rather have what the Right calls socialized medicine rather than a rise in wages. Not exactly a poster boy for the GOP.

 

[essentialsaltes]

What it's like in what way?

If your salary is more than $47,476, your employer does not have to pay you any overtime, regardless of the hours you work.

Overtime is called "doing your job".

 

[tall73]

So he'd rather have what the Right calls socialized medicine rather than a rise in wages. Not exactly a poster boy for the GOP.

He was probably more concerned about surviving than being a poster boy.

 

[iluvatar5150]

First, where'd you read that,

In the CNN article linked to earlier.

and second, what is "unpaid overtime"? In plainer English, it seems that would have to translate as either "volunteer work" or "forced labor".

Welcome to being salaried.

 

[variant]

What it's like in what way?

Salaried positions are expected to work more than the generally allotted time when necessary and not paid for it.

 

[Chesterton]

In the CNN article linked to earlier.

No, it's not in there. I also can't find anywhere that the union said it, or Sanders, or his campaign manager.

And since you ignored my question about what the difference is, I'll say again there is no effective difference.

Salaried positions are expected to work more than the generally allotted time when necessary and not paid for it.

I know, I've been salaried before, and occasionally worked after hours and weekends, sometimes when asked, sometimes on my own initiative. I just never knew there was a name for it. It was just part of getting a job done.

 

[MorkandMindy]

11 dollars an hr doesn't get you off of Medicaid.

The maximum income for a single person to get medicaid 16,243 dollars per year. If a person's working year was 2,000 hours, that corresponds to 8.121 dollars per hour, so 11 dollars an hour was more than enough to get my Medicaid suddenly cancelled.

My hours were around 1,600 per year so I only just exceeded the limit.

I can get Kaiser health insurance for just 10,396 per year including the maximum copay of 3,500 which I will reach, so the extra 1,600 a year I got after the dollar an hour pay increase will cost me a lot.

 

[MorkandMindy]

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No longer qualifying for medicaid is probably a net negative.

Which should say something about the general state of our healthcare system (and health safety net) if people get mad at a raise because they are trying to live in enough poverty to qualify for Medicaid.

Very true.

 

[MorkandMindy]

So he'd rather have what the Right calls socialized medicine rather than a rise in wages. Not exactly a poster boy for the GOP.

If the government is willing to help me with the massive screw up they've made then I'm happy to accept.

I'm not sure what 'socialized medicine' is, but medicine is government run no matter what happens. At present both big pharma and the medical people are protected from foreign or domestic competition.

Medication costs more here, and so does medical care. I have trouble getting costs but for a half hour of time which my yearly visit takes the doctor gets 250 dollars. It appears then the clinic triples that to 750 dollars by adding 500, but I've been told it adds 600 making it 850, and then the MCO sticks 15% on top of whatever number they were given so it comes to 1,000 dollars, and then Medicare pays 80pc so we're back to 200 dollars, which is about what it would all cost without all the money grabbing.

So yes, I'm happy to accept the 800 dollar 'hand-out' which is about enough to compensate for the mess they've made.

 

[MorkandMindy]

People like me can do zero to save money when corruption is well established in Congress. Those extra 800 dollars go to people who get very rich from the existing medical rip off scheme. And in turn a small cut goes to pay the campaigns of those Congress people who support the corrupt scheme.

 

[essentialsaltes]

People like me can do zero to save money when corruption is well established in Congress.

Hey @OldWiseGuy, can you give MorkandMindy some more tips on how to eat more frugally?

"I eat very little, spend very little. That's why I'm rolling in dough."

--OldWiseGuy

 

[variant]

The maximum income for a single person to get medicaid 16,243 dollars per year. If a person's working year was 2,000 hours, that corresponds to 8.121 dollars per hour, so 11 dollars an hour was more than enough to get my Medicaid suddenly cancelled.

My hours were around 1,600 per year so I only just exceeded the limit.

I can get Kaiser health insurance for just 10,396 per year including the maximum copay of 3,500 which I will reach, so the extra 1,600 a year I got after the dollar an hour pay increase will cost me a lot.

OK, so they're not willing to cut your hrs slightly to fit? That would leave you with more time and disposable income but still keep your medicaid.

Obviously the problem here would be that we define the poverty line so low and that we consider 130% of it to be enough to not require serious assistance with medical premiums.

Those states that didn't expand medicare do seem to have really stuck it to their working poor.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Two years ago as a result of public pressure they put the pay rate up at the store, from 9.00 PH to 10.00. I went to the office to complain and there was already someone else in there complaining.

[later edit note, PH means per hour, dollars per hour, it is commonly used in the store but evidently not elsewhere very much]

The following year the lowest pay rate (the one I was on) was increased to 11.00 P H and I complained repeatedly to my manager telling him about the increase.

If you don't know why then you don't know enough to have an opinion on minimum wage.

SPOILER: the media is focusing on income whereas expenditure, in particular medical costs, are at that end of the pay range, far more important.

That's why the other piece of the puzzle aside from raising minimum wage is to also have universal health care that the employer is not paying for.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Two years ago as a result of public pressure they put the pay rate up at the store, from 9.00 PH to 10.00. I went to the office to complain and there was already someone else in there complaining.

[later edit note, PH means per hour, dollars per hour, it is commonly used in the store but evidently not elsewhere very much]

The following year the lowest pay rate (the one I was on) was increased to 11.00 P H and I complained repeatedly to my manager telling him about the increase.

If you don't know why then you don't know enough to have an opinion on minimum wage.

SPOILER: the media is focusing on income whereas expenditure, in particular medical costs, are at that end of the pay range, far more important.

Also, if you were in a union they wouldn't have accepted this, knowing the ramifications. It would have to have been discussed and approved by them first and the contract would have to be updated. When labor has no organization, labor has no voice or power at all and is at the mercy of every whim of the employer.

 

[MorkandMindy]

OK, so they're not willing to cut your hrs slightly to fit? That would leave you with more time and disposable income but still keep your medicaid. ...

I was getting 35 hours a week and requesting in every possible way fewer while everyone else was on around 20 hours a week and we were all on the same rate of pay.

I went back for the fourth time to the manager and explained I had to average under 27 hours a week so the next week he gave me 26 and the week after 32, I looked ahead on my schedule and the following weeks were 29 and 31 so at that point I resigned.

It was fairly clear the aim was to clear out older staff and get younger staff, one of the new guys could easily lift 140 lb boxes on his own so he was an asset on saving money and the female one is lightning on the register.

The oldest remaining staff now are both over 50 and both have cancer, and there's a drive on to improve employee health so the number of sick days allowed in 6 months has been cut from 9 to 5.

It's what the majority of Americans want, cheap stuff, and if they can't get it there they'll get it somewhere else.

 

[iluvatar5150]

OK, so they're not willing to cut your hrs slightly to fit? That would leave you with more time and disposable income but still keep your medicaid.

Obviously the problem here would be that we define the poverty line so low and that we consider 130% of it to be enough to not require serious assistance with medical premiums.

Those states that didn't expand medicare do seem to have really stuck it to their working poor.

$18k is above the Medicaid expansion threshold, which is why I asked earlier about ACA subsidies. The sticker price on these plans isn't supposed to be the actual price you pay.

 

[variant]

$18k is above the Medicaid expansion threshold, which is why I asked earlier about ACA subsidies. The sticker price on these plans isn't supposed to be the actual price you pay.

I think there is a minimum to where the ACA applies. If the medicare expansion was not implemented and the AHA doesn't offer help then there is a gap I believe.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but that would make this a terrible hosing by those states to the working poor, and a significant flaw in both medicare and the AHA that should be a political priority to address.

The Trump administration did nothing though to address the flaw but rather simply wanted to repeal the AHA, and they are making inroads into keeping the poverty line as low as possible.