Hail Mary????

[PilgrimToChrist]

Hail Mary yea right, Hail Jesus period.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death. Amen.

EDIT: Ahem. I almost forgot something.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death. Amen.

Take it up with St. Gabriel!

Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

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[laconicstudent]

St. Cyprian of Carthage

"Let us remember one another in concord and unanimity. Let us on both sides [of death] always pray for one another. Let us relieve burdens and afflictions by mutual love, that if one of us, by the swiftness of divine condescension, shall go hence first, our love may continue in the presence of the Lord, and our prayers for our brethren and sisters not cease in the presence of the Father’s mercy" (Letters 56[60]:5 [A.D. 253]).

Troparion, Tone 8

You have shown yourself, O God-inspired Cyprian, as a guide to the Orthodox faith, a teacher of true worship and purity, O star of the universe and companion of the bishops, O wise one. Through your light you have enlightened all, O harp of the Spirit. Therefore, intercede with Christ God to save our souls.

 

[Bushido216]

He either ignored or refused to acknowledge at least my post, and several others. He repeated the same claims over and over, even when it was shown that they were strawmen arguments. He isn't interested in listening, he's interested in yapping.

 

[laconicstudent]

Basically.

On a tangent, I do just love how whenever I need a quote to prove that the early Christians believed and taught X, St. Cyprian of Carthage always seems to have something for us.

 

[laconicstudent]

hm. And now he's gone.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Satan can also come as a messenger of light.

And?

Do you think that satan intercepts your prayers so they don't reach God probably what about half the time? Two out of three?

You are ridiculous. Prayers are like with Kevin Costner in "The Postman", that letter is going to get through, no matter how many post-apocalyptic warlords and their minions he has to kill to get it there!

Ok so you all pray to saints for the sole purpose of praying to saints.

Yeah, it's pretty much like Sudoku or crossword puzzle or watching the news. Seriously, my mom watches the news every day and it's always about people getting murdered and other horrible things happening, so what is the point, it's so depressing! When the big tsunami happened a few years ago, I didn't even know about it until the following Sunday when the priest mentioned it in the homily!

Anyway, that's beside the point. I'm gathering that you're a hyper-Calvinist and you don't believe that anything we do has any bearing on our life or our salvation, so why pray? Right? Well, because we don't believe like you do, we believe that we must run the race, not as a farce and play-acting but truly and fervently.

At no point does the Bible say that we should just sit back and relax and not do anything because everything has already been decided and we just have to wait to die. Yeah, that's wrong.

If they arent going to bring you closer to God then there is no point.

You're right. Furthermore, there is no point of having any friends or even family if they do not bring you closer to God.

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Those who are perfect, however, have trodden all these things beneath their feet -- [and have despised] the blessings which may come to them in this world, and its pleasures and delights -- in such a way that, even if they wanted to, so to say, they could not love anything outside God, or unless it had to do with God.
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Such persons, then, except for the advantage that the affection may bring to their souls (because they realize that our nature is such that we soon tire of life without love), care nothing whether they are loved or not.

Its amazing how delusional we think eachother are, truth is though one side is right and one side is wrong. One side is taking the focus off God and placing it on others while the other is not. One side is aiding the evil one in creating confusion and the other side is not.

Then you should stop doing so.

I see now that you have stiffened necks and refuse to hear my words. so keep laughing and thinking youve got it together.

We're not laughing at you, we feel pity for you. Nobody said we think we have everything together. You're the one who asked what was the point of prayer. I know I need all the prayer I can get! Why do you think my Mother prays for me as fervently as she does?

Keep hailing mary

Will do!

You really have a problem with St. Gabriel, don't you. You really should talk to him about this. Of course if you're going to attack him, last time he had St. Michael back him up! (cf. Dan 10) So before you go attacking Holy Scripture and the angels of God, you might want to think twice...

and saints so you can further desecrate there memory with your blasphemous practises. You have all been warned.

Uh huh... Your illogic knows no bounds.

May His Spirit walk with you all the days of your life.

I love the contrast there:

You are a blasphemer and a heretic and you shall burn in hell!
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But have a nice day, God bless!

 

[laconicstudent]

Oh this forum....

 

[Dionysiou]

age plays no role in knowing the Spirit. "Get thee behind me" are you serious? if i truly thought like that i wouldnt waste time talking to you. Praying with friends is fine, i never said otherwise. Im talking bout dead friends, or friends in heaven. You are all quite touchy bout this though, doesnt a wise man heed a rebuke and a fool ......... you know the rest. Im sure your all very nice people in real life though. As for the Satan coming as a messenger of light, he can work signs and wonders too, you should know that. Im not going to give you scripture to support my claims because they are up for interpretation to suit you. The only one who can change your ways is God. I know that, you know that and i hope it happens soon. man i forget the verse but i could be violent for God. angel gabriel never told people to pray to mary

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

angel gabriel never told people to pray to mary

You said you had a problem with the Hail Mary, I said you needed to take it up with St. Gabriel since he's the one who spoke it.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

age plays no role in knowing the Spirit.

Well, you are being ignorant and fiery, trying to take on God. It's a bit of a product of youth.

Praying with friends is fine, i never said otherwise.

Then you won't mind me praying with my friends, no matter where they live...

Im talking bout dead friends, or friends in heaven.

Which is somehow completely different? LOL

You are all quite touchy bout this though, doesnt a wise man heed a rebuke and a fool ......... you know the rest.

Well, you come in here knowing nothing and speaking ignorance and accusing people of blasphemy when you have no idea what you are talking about but instead claim to speak for God directly with no evidence to back it up. Yeah, sorry, we tend to go for a bit more educated debates here.

The only one who can change your ways is God. I know that, you know that and i hope it happens soon.

Actually, God does not change His ways. He doesn't establish one thing and then change His mind and condemn it the next. So don't hold your breath for God to change what He has established.

man i forget the verse but i could be violent for God.

You take out that pubertal anger, smash your keyboard, punch that monitor, stomp your feet! Yell and shout. Or go play Call of Duty and pretend that you're shooting Catholics

angel gabriel never told people to pray to mary

Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

 

[Dionysiou]

yes and there is a distinction between hailing and praying

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

man i forget the verse but i could be violent for God.

Like this?

Whereas angels who are greater in strength and power, bring not against themselves a railing judgment. But these men, as irrational beasts, naturally tending to the snare and to destruction, blaspheming those things which they know not, shall perish in their corruption

When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee. But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not: and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

yes and there is a distinction between hailing and praying

Elabrate.

Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve, to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy towards us, and after after this, our exile, show unto us the blessed Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.

Pray for us, Holy Mother of God.
That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

 

[laconicstudent]

age plays no role in knowing the Spirit.

No, but I'm still hardly going to trust you over 2,000 years of unbroken Apostolic Tradition.

"Get thee behind me" are you serious? if i truly thought like that i wouldnt waste time talking to you.

You called us blasphemers. Pot calling kettle black?

Praying with friends is fine, i never said otherwise. Im talking bout dead friends, or friends in heaven.

You still haven't explained why their being dead is a problem. You even said in an earlier post that you accepted that in Christ, no one is dead. So this makes no sense.

You are all quite touchy bout this though, doesnt a wise man heed a rebuke and a fool .........

Except, Titus 3:10. When you are clearly, and demonstrably wrong, it doesn't make us fools to reject your claims.

Im not going to give you scripture to support my claims because they are up for interpretation to suit you.

The only one who can change your ways is God. I know that, you know that and i hope it happens soon. man i forget the verse but i could be violent for God. angel gabriel never told people to pray to mary

Gabriel himself did exactly what Christians do today.

 

[Dionysiou]

hailing and praying, there is a distinction, look it up. Gabriel did not pray to mary so she could pray for him so no he did not do exactly what you do today.

 

[laconicstudent]

hailing and praying, there is a distinction, look it up.

PilgrimToChrist refuted this in her last post.

Gabriel did not pray to mary so she could pray for him so no he did not do exactly what you do today.

You are correct in that. However we, unlike Gabriel, were told to pray for one another.

and im supposed to be the ignorant one

Would you stop flaming others?

 

[Dionysiou]

believe me, i havent started flaming anyone yet. These arguements go in cirlces everytime i have them. Both sides are unwilling to budge. I think ive said and heard enough about this matter. Ive even learned a thing or two. I will destroy you all though! nahh nothing but love guys thanks for speaking up.

 

[laconicstudent]

believe me, i havent started flaming anyone yet. These arguements go in cirlces everytime i have them. Both sides are unwilling to budge. I think ive said and heard enough about this matter. Ive even learned a thing or two. I will destroy you all though! nahh nothing but love guys thanks for speaking up.

lol haha sure thing

 

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