Guns

[Schneiderman]

Baw, I can't believe I didn't see this thread until so late. Not gonna bother reading through the whole thread to respond to dozens of senseless posts, so I'll just start with this:

The anti-gun position is motivated by emotion, the pro-gun position is motivated by reason. Objective observation and rational deduction leads only to the conclusion that gun control is impractical, ineffective and immoral.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Baw, I can't believe I didn't see this thread until so late. Not gonna bother reading through the whole thread to respond to dozens of senseless posts, so I'll just start with this:

The anti-gun position is motivated by emotion, the pro-gun position is motivated by reason. Objective observation and rational deduction leads only to the conclusion that gun control is impractical, ineffective and immoral.

I think keeping automatic weapons out of your hands is a god idea.

 

[Blackguard_]

You wouldnt happen to be familiar with WWII would you?
See this country called Germany had a leader. The leader was liked by some and hated by many. This leader took away the ability for the counties citizens to own guns and (I wish I could find the quote, im working on finding it) therefor took away the ability of a revolt. That leader also imposed rules that if anyone spoke against him the whole family would be killed. That leader ordered the killing of millions of Jews. Care to guess who that was?

The idea of Jewish revolt are something is probably wishful thinking, but Hitler along with Stalin and other regimes are great examples of the mentality in action of those who fear common citizens with weapons.

"Arms in the hands of Jews are a danger to public safety." -Police First Seargent Colisle, on the arrest report of Alfred Flatow (source, pg 117)

Also, the Hitler quote you have in mind might be a fake. There is an alleged quote on gun control, registration to be exact, by him that's been floating around the internet a very long time, but is fake.

 

[mjmcmillan]

I have a hard time believing this thread pops to life again on Christmas Day. There's never an oak stake around when you really need it, I guess.

Oh, well... In the news, we have a story out of Orland Park. A man comes in to rob the store, starts tying up people and so on. One of the victims realises what is happening and attacks the bad guy. He gets the bad guy's gun and in the struggle the bad guy gets shot dead with his own gun. It turns out there's good reason to believe this guy was the "Honey Bee Killer" who shot some people, injuring two and killing one this past autumn. It doesn't happen often, but every now and then an unarmed potential murder victim gets the upper hand and the would-be killer gets what's coming to him. Oh, yes--- this was all on security camera and a call to 911, so the hero of the story gets proper recognition and the would-be killer--- well, I reckon he's got bigger problems now.

 

[Schneiderman]

I think keeping automatic weapons out of your hands is a god idea.

Why?

...Because you're afraid of them?

What makes an automatic weapon more dangerous than a semi automatic one?

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Are you kidding? Sporting doubles are toys if any guns are.

Serious guns would be carry handguns.

As long as the triggers are taped down so you self defense gurus don't shoot out your eyes.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Why?

...Because you're afraid of them?

What makes an automatic weapon more dangerous than a semi automatic one?

No, I just don't want automatic weapons in the hands of people who k00kgasm over the concept of "gun".

 

[Schneiderman]

Were you trying to disprove my assertion about emotion versus reason? Because your responses to me have been completely devoid of reason. You're proving my point.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Were you trying to disprove my assertion about emotion versus reason? Because your responses to me have been completely devoid of reason. You're proving my point.

I don't trust anyone with a gun who gets as excited as you do over guns.

 

[Schneiderman]

Perfect example of an emotionally motivated attitude. Thank you for proving my point.

How about this: I think keeping people who are afraid of guns from voting is a good idea. I support vote control, you should have to go through a background check, a psychological screening, and have to apply for a license before you can vote. What do you think?

 

[Blackguard_]

As long as the triggers are taped down so you self defense gurus don't shoot out your eyes.

Nah, it's the sporting double crowd we need to look out for. They're far more likely to mistake you for a bird or clay pigeon than a pistoleer is to mistake you for a bad guy.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Perfect example ..k?

Listen, kid, I understand the persecution complex is important to you, but no one's really going to take your laser guided home defense blasters, so just unwind and try not to shoot the cat.

 

[Schneiderman]

Listen, kid, I understand the persecution complex is important to you, but no one's really going to take your laser guided home defense blasters, so just unwind and try not to shoot the cat.

It's funny, you accuse me of being excited, but clearly you're the one who is upset. What's the problem? Why did you respond to my post, in a manner which only confirms my assertion?

I live in NY, my 2nd amendment rights are already thoroughly violated. I have every reason to fear further encroachment. This past year, NY seriously considered legislation that would have resulted in a de facto ban on the sale of new handguns. YES, they really ARE trying to take away my guns.

How would you feel if someone tried to deny your right to vote?

You called me "kid". How is age relevant? One can be old and stupid. Would you take me more seriously if I lied about my age and said I was 50? Or are you just looking for any excuse you can find to minimize my argument and protect your precious, fallacious worldview? Why do you refuse to support your position with logic?

 

[Im_A]

Mark me an idiot then!

Dually noted.

And just a little fyi... a AK47 or AR15 that can be purchased in the US is nowhere close to a "military weopen"... while it is the same platform as the military it is only available in semi auto (one round shot per trigger pull) where as military rifles are either three round burst (three rounds shot per trigger pull) or full auto (shoots till you let off the trigger or run out of ammo)... dont believe the liberal media (just in case you havent heard they are in the business of drawing attention to their story and often exaggerate the story just a little

) Its the difference between digging a tunnel with a hammer & chisel or a jack hammer.

FYI-details of how guns work is not really on topic to the point. If you want to argue semantics...FINE. You'll win too because you know more details about weaponry...good for you. If you want me to expand my points, I will say that all that information about guns that you stated, citizens should not have the freedom to be able to obtain such weapons. Care to talk semantics some more or address my point if you want to quote me and discuss because being on topic is supposed to be rule here right?

There will never be a peaceful society till God comes back.

I'll send a response via pm about this one. This site doesn't allow my opinion on public viewing, which is understandable mind you. PM coming your way though...

WOW!!! how did you know what I am thinking!!!!

You wouldnt happen to be familiar with WWII would you?
See this country called Germany had a leader. The leader was liked by some and hated by many. This leader took away the ability for the counties citizens to own guns and (I wish I could find the quote, im working on finding it) therefor took away the ability of a revolt. That leader also imposed rules that if anyone spoke against him the whole family would be killed. That leader ordered the killing of millions of Jews. Care to guess who that was?

See...Nazism is not a real force in America or really the entire world now. Sure there may be groups but they easily put on 'silent'. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation except the fear of Nazism which resembles nothing but a pathetic reasoning to say, "I should have guns because I'm like McCarthy!"

The government has been instituting gun control for some time and WE ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO NAZISM. So example equals no valid points. Your fear mongering won't work with me.

 

[Schneiderman]

[/COLOR]Dually noted.

*duly

FYI-details of how guns work is not really on topic to the point. If you want to argue semantics...FINE. You'll win too because you know more details about weaponry...good for you.

Which might have something to do with his position. I wouldn't argue about the benefits of an experimental heart surgery procedure, because I don't know anything about it.

If you want me to expand my points, I will say that all that information about guns that you stated, citizens should not have the freedom to be able to obtain such weapons.

Why? Because you are afraid of them?

See...Nazism is not a real force in America or really the entire world now. Sure there may be groups but they easily put on 'silent'. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation except the fear of Nazism which resembles nothing but a pathetic reasoning to say, "I should have guns because I'm like McCarthy!"

The government has been instituting gun control for some time and WE ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO NAZISM. So example equals no valid points.

ZING!

That was the sound of the point flying over your head.

Your fear mongering won't work with me.

What are you talking about? Your stance on gun control is based on fear. Obviously, fear mongering works on you.

 

[Blackguard_]

The government has been instituting gun control for some time and WE ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO NAZISM. So example equals no valid points. Your fear mongering won't work with me.

Lots of people also own AK-47s, AR-15s, and other "high-grade weapons for self-protection" and we are not even close to a right wing extremist (say, wouldn't that include neo-nazis?) government takeover either.

 

[Im_A]

*duly

Thanks

Which might have something to do with his position. I wouldn't argue about the benefits of an experimental heart surgery procedure, because I don't know anything about it.

Well another failed method at responding. If his position is justified through knowledge of how many rounds a gun has, he fails to miss the point of why some of us are STAUNCHLY PRO-GUN CONTROL so why even respond to someone that is stating what I have to state?

Why? Because you are afraid of them?

I just don't trust human beings who think weapons such as that is justified for personal protection. If that includes anyone on this board, then they are on the list of untrustworthy people in my opinion.

ZING!

That was the sound of the point flying over your head.

Can't be that good if it misses the head pretty easily.

What are you talking about? Your stance on gun control is based on fear. Obviously, fear mongering works on you.

Yours is too...talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I'm not afraid of guns. I don't trust human beings with high grade weaponry. Thankfully we have a law that controls people with your type of mentality.

Thanks for the emotional response. You complain to another poster about being emotional and you are just as emotional.

Lots of people also own AK-47s AR-15s etc., "high-grade weapons for self-protection" and we are not even close to a right wing extremist (say, wouldn't that include neo-nazis?) government either.

Yea...the law does a good job at punishing people who turn extremist...like individuals in the state I live in. Bad faith is all you gun totters have(note: I'm not talking about faith in God) to argue on. All these internet rabblers don't do anything about the so called oppression from the government with guns, so peacefulness is given by controling the extreme views of the citizens. So thanks for proving gun control as a justified thing to have.

That doesn't mean I think it is right for all of those people to have those weapons just because they are peaceful. If it is within the law, fine, but that doesn't change my opinion either.

And yes it would include Neo-Nazis...so why do people bring up the Germany example except for ridiculous Red Scare Fear Mongering?

 

[Schneiderman]

Well another failed method at responding. If his position is justified through knowledge of how many rounds a gun has, he fails to miss the point of why some of us are STAUNCHLY PRO-GUN CONTROL so why even respond to someone that is stating what I have to state?

You're STAUNCHLY PRO-GUN CONTROL because you DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GUNS and YOU ARE AFRAID OF THEM (I can yell too, did it make me more effective?)

I just don't trust human beings who think weapons such as that is justified for personal protection. If that includes anyone on this board, then they are on the list of untrustworthy people in my opinion.

What do you mean, you don't trust us? You wouldn't let us borrow your car? You wouldn't buy something from us?

Do you not trust us or are you afraid of us?

Can't be that good if it misses the head pretty easily.

Maybe the target was too small.

Yours is too...talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I'm not afraid of guns. I don't trust human beings with high grade weaponry. Thankfully we have a law that controls people with your type of mentality.

What makes you think my stance is emotionally based? What do you think I'm afraid of? I shoot targets and clay pigeons, I own my guns for sport.

Thanks for the emotional response. You complain to another poster about being emotional and you are just as emotional.

How? Show me where emotion comes into play in my position. (It would help if you defined what you think my position is).

 

[Im_A]

You're STAUNCHLY PRO-GUN CONTROL because you DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT GUNS and YOU ARE AFRAID OF THEM (I can yell too, did it make me more effective?)

No. I didn't hear anything.

Caps is not used from me for yelling but to highlight a point.
And no...you are not right, it is not based in fear.

What do you mean, you don't trust us? You wouldn't let us borrow your car? You wouldn't buy something from us?

Heck no I wouldn't let you borrow my car. I'll give you a ride, or let you use my cellphone to call and wait for a ride, but you would never borrow my car and its not because of your views on guns its because I don't trust you to drive my car for no reason. That's my ride to work, make money, take women out, do the things I love doing...more important than letting you or anyone else that is not in my life to borrow it.

I would buy something from you because I'm vain and suffer from consumerism just as much as everyone else does and want to buy what I want to buy. You provide a service, I'll use your service for my own good. Welcome to consumerism 101, don't need trust to buy if it is a product that I know I need or want.

I just find it a character flaw to own such things for no justified reason. There is no real threat out there to justify that type of 'force' for hypothetical situations.

Do you not trust us or are you afraid of us?

Not trust I'd still buy you a drink.

Maybe the target was too small.

Creates a situation where it takes more talent to hit...learn some.

What makes you think my stance is emotionally based? What do you think I'm afraid of? I shoot targets and clay pigeons, I own my guns for sport.

By your response here on CF.

I can be ok with sport guns. actually. For hunting and specific sports. If you use a weapon to the liking of a AK47, Uzi to sport...idiot in my opinion.

How? Show me where emotion comes into play in my position. (It would help if you defined what you think my position is).

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Its on the computer monitor. I'm just as good as assuming something about an internet stranger

 

[mjmcmillan]

Guns don't scare me. Guns in the hands of crazy people scare me. You never know who they're going to shoot or why, or even if there is any reason.

Following this latest development, I do hope you're not neighbors. Think of the cross-fire damage, man!!!! Already you've shot the Weber grill, two cats and the mailman and you haven't even exhausted the first clip.

OK, silliness aside--- it's Christmas. Unless you got a gun for Christmas and you want to tell us about your latest greatest peacemaker, how's about giving this a rest for today???