Guns

[Mess]

This is such an AMERICAN issue its ridiculous lol

Very true this. Never comes up where I live. We got a lot stricter policy on guns, though if I wanted to I could get one without problems, though in a slightly(read completely) illegal way.

Well my father was shot to death when I was 8, so that's pretty much my entire outlook on guns, is that only law enforcement should have them.

My father was a police officer.

That's awfull sis.

 

[mjmcmillan]

Instead of having a heated debate over how best to deal with threat A why don't we keep threat A from ever being a threat?

How do you propose to go about it???? Murder has been with us ever since Cain slew Abel, and the issue on the table in that case was God favoring Abel over Cain. My brother has a problem with uncontrolled rage, and it's by the grace of God that nothing really bad has happened because his thoughts are certainly dark enough.

Evil is part of the human condition. As long as that's the case, we're going to have to deal with threats and try to counter them. We can pray for God to hasten the day when no harm will be done in the land, but until He does threat A will be a problem.

 

[Daisy215]

Yes, right around the holidays.
Makes the holidays a pretty difficult time.
It's rough when everyone is so happy around this time but I'm not, and I feel like I'm bringing them down...

Yes this is such an American thing though, I already know each regions major viewpoints on the issue.

 

[LadyOfMystery]

PLEASE MARK ALL THAT APPLY




I was just wondering what people's thoughts are on Firearms.

I enjoy shooting and I am a firm supporter of the 2nd Amendment and self-defense. Just wondering what everyone elses views on the subject(s) were.




"A man with a gun is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject."

I agree with this. I also enjoy shooting, and I believe it's a right and should stay that way.

P.S. This is a blind post, but I just wanted to say, I don't believe there is anything wrong with guns when in the right hands, especially for self protection. Especially for women. Bad people made guns have a bad reputation with some people, and so it turns people off to them. When in the right hands, and are handled correctly they are fine.
The reason I say they're especially good for self protection with women before anyone asks is this: Guys are bigger than you, no matter how much you think you can handle a battle against a guy, you cannot. We are made differently, and you WILL need something to protect you when you have nothing else.

 

[Blackguard_]

Second, innocent people get hurt and killed no matter how they are prepared to respond to a threat.

Better to not have a threat in the first place then to roll the dice with the preparation/response of one's choice after a threat is put into action. Again, it does not matter what preparation or response one thinks is best.

Agreed, except for the bolded part. It does matter what preparation or response is best. Not all preparations are equal. Better preparations mean less people hurt and killed.

Instead of having a heated debate over how best to deal with threat A why don't we keep threat A from ever being a threat?

Because keeping threat A from being a threat is not always possible.

 

[MehTeh]

Generally I'm against them for personal possession and use, but Australia doesn't have your history of war of independence, civil war, civil disobedience or a bill or rights (we use a thing called common law).

So I didn't vote.

 

[lost-sheep]

Well my father was shot to death when I was 8, so that's pretty much my entire outlook on guns, is that only law enforcement should have them.

My father was a police officer.

Im sorry to hear that. <--- but no smile


But there will always be guns because bad guys are not going to be the ones turning in their weapons if a law passes forcing people to. Criminals, who often illegally posses guns as it is, will be armed against unarmed citizens.
It takes at least 5 minutes for a police offcer to respond to a call once a person has called in. In that time period the bad guy, assuming hes armed with a gun, has the ability to do what he intended and get a head start running away.

I truly am sorry you have to live with the results and sorrows from an un-responsible piece of flesh.*edited what my true thoughts are of that scum*


I understand your position and respect your opinion.

 

[LOVEthroughINTELLECT]

How do you propose to go about it????

Well, if I recall correctly, the gunman who terrorized people on I-71 had stopped taking his medication.

Apparently Ted Kaczynski was mentally ill. No, not a figure of speech. I am talking about a treatable, recognized condition. If I recall correctly, bombs through the mail were his only weapon. Therefore, a gun would not have done his victims any good anyway.

The fact that there were numerous red flags and numerous missed opportunities that might have prevented the Virginia Tech massacre is well-documented, it seems.

Better to stop time bombs from ticking than to spend all of our resources arguing over how best to prepare for when they start to explode.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Kolars, Krieghoffs or Perazzis are the only guns worth owning. Everything else is just a toy.

 

[MacFall]

Thank you for your very silly opinion.

 

[Im_A]

Kolars, Krieghoffs or Perazzis are the only guns worth owning. Everything else is just a toy.

I agree with this.

I'm almost to the point of thinking that hand guns should be illegal for citizen use and only shotguns and rifles to be used.

 

[lost-sheep]

Kolars, Krieghoffs or Perazzis are the only guns worth owning. Everything else is just a toy.

While shotguns are nice, they have limited use. They have a place among the many tools but isnt the only tool. You wouldnt fill a tool box full of hammers would you?

 

[Im_A]

While shotguns are nice, they have limited use. They have a place among the many tools but isnt the only tool. You wouldnt fill a tool box full of hammers would you?

Umm...don't you think that's a horrible example?

You have to know what you are doing with a shot gun to be good at it and when you are, it is more efficient at getting the job done in a closed confined space, not to mention with the ability to hide your weapon, in public, it forces the one with the weapon to expose themselves either out right, or in a suspicious manner because as the public, we deserve to know who has lethal weapons as we shop or go into some other store.

The question should be...if a wood hammer does the job of putting up a painting on the wall, why would you need a jack hammer?

 

[MacFall]

The question should be...if a wood hammer does the job of putting up a painting on the wall, why would you need a jack hammer?

For tearing up concrete, of course. And only an idiot would use one for the other job.

The problem seems to be that some people think that everyone except for the glorious, godlike police and military are idiots.

 

[Im_A]

For tearing up concrete, of course. And only an idiot would use one for the other job.

The problem seems to be that some people think that everyone except for the glorious, godlike police and military are idiots.

I consider a person an idiot who believes an AK47 should be within their right to obtain for self-protection.

I believe a person who thinks it is within the right to obtain the same weapons as the military in their home for self-protection to be an idiot.

I also believe there are many people in the military, government, police force who are idiots.

Which is where the jack hammer reference comes in. It does TOO MUCH and can do TOO BIG OF A JOB. In the example, yes tearing up concrete is too big of a job to get a hole for a painting in. The citizen who holds high grade weapons for self-protection are the ones that give the government the reason to fight against right wing extremism...as it rightfully should because they are not congruent for a peaceful society.

I'm just reminded of the incident in a county nearby where I live, where a man kills a man to obtain his weapon to fight the government and that same mentality goes through everyone who is an extremist and terrified of their government...he just illustrates what the mentality looks like in action form and just how far it can go.

 

[lost-sheep]

Umm...don't you think that's a horrible example?

You have to know what you are doing with a shot gun to be good at it and when you are, it is more efficient at getting the job done in a closed confined space, not to mention with the ability to hide your weapon, in public, it forces the one with the weapon to expose themselves either out right, or in a suspicious manner because as the public, we deserve to know who has lethal weapons as we shop or go into some other store.

The question should be...if a wood hammer does the job of putting up a painting on the wall, why would you need a jack hammer?

No I think its a perfect example. How are you going to screw in a screw with a hammer? What if you need to punch a pin out and you dont have a punch... just going to beat it with your hammer till it comes loose? If a hammer could do everything there would be no need for a screw driver, punch, etc.
Like my above example a shotgun cant fill all rolls. You are going to have one hell of a time hunting deer with a shotgun at 200 yards but for taking a bird out of the sky nothing can touch it. A shotgun is great for close engagements with little fear of innocents getting hurt too. If shotguns are so great police would carry nothing but shotguns.

Not to argue but I completely disagree that the public deserves to know who has a lethal weopen. Lets just go with what your saying here and there is no rifles or pistols... a bad guy (bg) is hiding in a darkened parking lot looking for someone to rob. He sees you walking to your car and can clearly see you are unarmed, he however has brought his shotgun in his car and wasnt seen by anyone carrying it to his hiding place. Bg jumps out at you, shotgun aimed to do damage... you turn over everything he demands and pray he doesnt decide he wants to get rid of the witness...
On the other hand bg is now in a state such as Arizona, where any legal gun owner can carry concealed without permit, bg now has that nagging thought that what if this guy has decided to protect himself... still going to jump out at him????

You mention that one cannot carry a shotgun without being noticed in public... this is completely false. A shortened shotgun with a pistol grip can be hidden in a jacket with little to no indication whats being carried... not to mention if its in a back pack.

Wouldnt the last sentence make more since saying
"The question should be...if a wood hammer does the job of putting up a painting on the wall, why would you need a paint roller?"

 

[lost-sheep]

I consider a person an idiot who believes an AK47 should be within their right to obtain for self-protection.

I believe a person who thinks it is within the right to obtain the same weapons as the military in their home for self-protection to be an idiot.
Mark me an idiot then! And just a little fyi... a AK47 or AR15 that can be purchased in the US is nowhere close to a "military weopen"... while it is the same platform as the military it is only available in semi auto (one round shot per trigger pull) where as military rifles are either three round burst (three rounds shot per trigger pull) or full auto (shoots till you let off the trigger or run out of ammo)... dont believe the liberal media (just in case you havent heard they are in the business of drawing attention to their story and often exaggerate the story just a little) Its the difference between digging a tunnel with a hammer & chisel or a jack hammer.
The citizen who holds high grade weapons for self-protection are the ones that give the government the reason to fight against right wing extremism...as it rightfully should because they are not congruent for a peaceful society.
There will never be a peaceful society till God comes back.
I'm just reminded of the incident in a county nearby where I live, where a man kills a man to obtain his weapon to fight the government and that same mentality goes through everyone who is an extremist and terrified of their government...he just illustrates what the mentality looks like in action form and just how far it can go.

WOW!!! how did you know what I am thinking!!!!

You wouldnt happen to be familiar with WWII would you?
See this country called Germany had a leader. The leader was liked by some and hated by many. This leader took away the ability for the counties citizens to own guns and (I wish I could find the quote, im working on finding it) therefor took away the ability of a revolt. That leader also imposed rules that if anyone spoke against him the whole family would be killed. That leader ordered the killing of millions of Jews. Care to guess who that was?

 

[MacFall]

Nobody can be the expert on what is needed for self-defense other than the person wishing to defend himself. What if someone came along and thought that you should not be allowed to consume your favorite food because "you don't need it"?

But that's irrelevant, because rights are not based upon necessity. They come from the fact that each person owns himself, and it is therefore wrong for any other person to attempt to exercise a claim on his life, liberty or property. The right to defend one's self and to equip one's self to that purpose ends only when it abridges the equal right of another person to defend himself and equip himself for defense.

In other words, I have a right to own my guns, whatever model they are; you nor anyone else have any right to prevent me from having them. You have only the right to prevent me, or any other person or group of person, from taking YOUR guns. And that right would include the use of those guns in the process of defending your property against aggression by the would-be expropriators.

 

[Blackguard_]

Kolars, Krieghoffs or Perazzis are the only guns worth owning. Everything else is just a toy.

Are you kidding? Sporting doubles are toys if any guns are.

Serious guns would be carry handguns.

 

[Blackguard_]

The problem seems to be that some people think that everyone except for the glorious, godlike police and military are idiots.

Yep, and also the bizarre idea the police need guns civilians don't like "high" capacity handguns and full/semi-auto weapons.

If civilians don't need it, neither do police. Unless you think the police should plan on massacring people or something, because isn't that all full/semi-auto and high capacity guns are good for?